Well, such kind of photos are hardly any good for judging the camera quality.
To really see, if there is any difference:
take a tripod / something, that is fixing the phone in a certain position.
ideally use a “photo test chart” that you printed on a color printer and glued to some cardboard. (Just enter the italic phrase in the search engine of your choice and you will find lots of examples)
use a fixed light source (maybe different ones)
focus on the same part of the chart
This way both cameras have to face the same conditions/troubles and the motive allows for more distinct differntiation.
You can use other setups too of course; e.g. some things placed in different distances to check, if there is a difference, when you focus on the one in the middle.
Just try some pictures, that use the same conditions and allow for better judgment.
And you can try different apps for this as well of course.
I would also like to see a comparison under controlled conditions. It would have been nice if Fairphone themselves would have published something that they must surely have from their own testing of the new modules. On the other hand, I would have expected to see an obvious improvement without having to go to such lengths. The photos taken with the new module and the stock app are still a far cry (subjectively) even from my 4 year old Galaxy S7.
4x zoomed images are extremely pixelated with the new camera. It looks like the digital zoom does not take advantage of the supposedly higher 48 MP resolution of the sensor at all, but simply enlarges a section of the camera’s 12 MP output. I’m starting to get a little angry. This looks more and more like false advertising to me.
The “48MP” sensor is quad bayer, so it is not 48 million RGB photosites. It is 48 million red OR green OR blue photosites. When the image is rasterised by the sensor, four red, green and blue photosites are composed into a single RGB pixel. This means two important things:
The 12 MP output image is full resolution
You cannot get ‘free zoom’ by cropping the 48 MP image, because it doesn’t exist
A lot of phone manufacturers use this marketing ploy.
Wow indeed. Thanks for the explanation. So what’s left of the “higher resolution” claim is essentially… nothing. Just a marketing ploy. Feel free to ridicule me for actually thinking that Fairphone was different and that such bullsh*t was beneath them.
There was never a shortage of detractors who’d tell me that Fairphone’s whole “sustainability” approach was just, well, a marketing ploy. I was always sure they were wrong. But now? Do I have any way of verifying their claims in this regard? And how does this approach square with selling upgrade modules using, let’s say, optimistic claims, that don’t seem to offer any real benefit? The line was that they give people a better camera module so they don’t buy a new phone just to take better pictures. Turns out the camera module isn’t better. So people still buy a new phone, but now there’s even more waste because of the unnecessary new camera modules. Great.
Or maybe I’m all wrong and there actually is a discernible improvement in photo quality. I’d still be happy to see somebody demonstrate this. But I’m very skeptical.
Don’t forget the zero shutter lag and improved image stabilization.
Then, although the explanation is very detailed and interesting, don’t forget it’s one article saying it’s more marketing than photo improvement. I found another one [1] that explains where the quality is really improved, and I think it will need advanced test to notice it. I think quad bayer improves the photos in bad conditions (low-light for example), and less in good conditions.
Apparently, there is also a 48MP mode available, so that you can have very high resolution photos, but it will only work well in good conditions. Could someone with the new module say if this option is available on FP3 (perhaps in developer options or something similar)?
Wayne said in the Facebook Q&A that zero shutter lag and intelligent scene detection would be available with the old modules as well.
For example, we talked about zero shutter lag. That will be available on existing FP3’s provided that you upgrade your FP3 to Android 10. […] And also for the intelligent scene detection, that is also something that will be available on your FP3.
I don’t remember any promises about the image stabilization being better, and my subjective impression is that it isn’t. I also expected better photos in bad conditions, but I don’t see an improvement (again, subjectively) with the new module in this regard either. Mind you, I’m not alone with this impression, and as more people get the new module I expect more will chime in.
Anyway. I hope somebody will make a more standardized comparison at some point and prove me wrong. I won’t do it, I don’t want to go through the trouble of swapping out the modules multiple times again.
Your article seems to have come to the same Conclusion, quoted from the first linked:
(highlighting by me)
when uodalcrius wrote “the module isn’t better” he overstated the critique from the article.
In my opinion both say its better than 12MP with a regular filter, but its not what you expect from a true 48MP sensor.
The comparison to a 50MP Hasselblad 40000$, 80000$ (no limit?) sensor where each pixel has 10x 20x? the area is tough for every camera.
Its a welcome improvement if the software works, but is not “4 times as good” and even more software dependent.
I didn’t and don’t feel misled, but the number is bigger then the improvement and marketing likes that,
I just don’t think the article has judged it overly bad, but its not 40.000$ 48MP which is closer to getting proportional better.
Just wanted to step in and say I don’t think the linked article is negative towards the 48MP modules (across all vendors) but uodalricus has exaggerated the conclusion drawn in it.
Sorry, but where did I exaggerate? Calling the 48MP claim a “marketing ploy” were pcm’s words, not mine. But I think it’s quite apt, you have to use a very strange definition of “pixel” to justify this claim. And FP used this claim up and down, the “12 MP output” was in the fine print.
But I don’t really care about the number of pixels, I care about photo quality. Maybe I overlooked it, but I haven’t seen a single post from somebody who has the new module and actually sees an improvement. Have you? I don’t see an improvement, decibyte doesn’t, mgkoeln doesn’t.
Of course I don’t expect a tiny smartphone camera to rival the image quality of a Hasselblad, that’s patently absurd. What I did expect was the new module produces discernibly better images as FP said it would, meaning that the obvious flaws of the old camera + stock app (mainly excessive noise in low light) are at least reduced. As far as I can tell, that’s not the case. That’s all.
Ok, I’m done now. I might post some photos I took today so you can take a look and judge for yourself whether the results justify selling a new module, but arguing is pointless unless somebody actually makes a proper comparison.
This is exaggerated, technical it is better and should produce a better Image with the same resolution. I think we all agree that its not as some think 4x better.
alex21 said it even that its marketing and not real:
But despite that it should be better once the software works nice with it.
That point was to illustrate that the 48MP are Marketing and real 48MP cameras are a different animal.
I don’t think fairphone is to blame for that though.
Its a common theme in many industries, a Manufacturer sells a new product with specs that are not wrong but calculated different.
The manufacturer sells it, vendors market it and even if its more like 12MP+HD you have to sell it as the 48MP because everyone does it.
Thats the same with phones, cars, power tools and vacuums.
Maybe, just for information, I do post in this thread as well the homepage for the Samsung sensor. That’s all marketing of course, but as well a bit of technical explanation on what to expect and what not.
And a page with an animated graphic on the tetracell feature:
My experience with Fairphone is that software isn’t their number one priority and therefore not their number one strength. Just take a look at Android 10: it was only rolled out a few days before Pixel owners got Android 11 and there still are bugs like the alignment of the home screen icons. If I were you I would stay optimistic and reach out to Fairphone kindly asking them to finally invest a bit in software and just wait and see. For now, as others suggested, grab a copy of the gCam, that is what I am using for my “old” 12MP sensor too, and it’s noticably better, especially in bad conditions and at reducing hand-shaking blurriness.
I posted two pictures taken with the new module yesterday here. The first one was taken with the stock app. It was reduced down to 50% by the forum software, but the problems are still glaringly obvious (though more pronounced in the original image). Look at the noise around the chapel’s tower at the top of the image, for example. That’s the kind of thing I mean when I say that the new camera isn’t better, at least with the horrible stock app (which failed to save 2 of the 7 images I took with it yesterday, btw). With a gCam port the result is much better, but still not better than what I know the old module to be capable of.
