Android 12 for FP4?

You are correct in that it can come over the internet but it can come via network data. Either way Fairphone decide which networks get it and when,

There’s a note on the forum accompanying the announcement of each update. For example:

If you search you will find a number of users that switch SIMs to get an update, which of course may not be optimal.

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Absolutely fascinating. I have a carrier with less than 50k users so I doubt I’m affected by this, but it’s truly fascinating nonetheless.

Oh well, DivestOS it is once Android 13 is released for that.

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I really take this with a (huge) grain of salt ‘It has to be certified by Google which requires over 500,000’. You run the test suites and submit the results, let’s not make this out to be rocket science. And, carriers due have testing that they do, but those are independent.

I suspect that the real issue is that everyone and their families were locked down in Shenzhen.

What, I think, would be helpful, would be for Fairphone to post anticipated dates, telling someone something will be late is better than avoiding the conversation. Even the smaller companies do this, so not a real strech to ask for it.

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Really? Do you have any other reason other than you love of salt :frowning:

Here’s an old example

“To get Google certification for Android 9 for Fairphone 2 just as we hit five years of support for the smartphone is a huge achievement for Fairphone,” says CEO of Fairphone Eva Gouwens. “In order to get certification, we had to pass approximately 477,000 Google tests.”
Five-year-old Fairphone 2 getting updated to almost three-year-old Android 9 - The Verge

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Got to love the Verge :slight_smile:

Cert testing is called play protect. We provide hundreds of tests to ensure Play Protect certified devices adhere to the Android security and permissions model and have software builds with recent security updates. Play Protect certified devices are also required to ship without pre-installed malware and include Google Play Protect, a suite of security features such as automatic virus scanning and Find My Device. This provides baseline protection against malware, privacy hacks and more.

On top of that they will have to run the SOC, radios and camera tests by their OEM partners. But its not rocket science and they are run all day long in a CI loop.

Still, best practice would be for fairphone to publish something. And keep in mind I’m a huge fan, would not own another phone. I very much believe in their mission and ethical stance.

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Kinda?

Back when I interacted with people in the field even if a phone wasn’t sold through a network operator - which isn’t actually all that common in many countries - then the manufacturer would still ask all relevant network operations for testing beforehand.

Which makes sense. If your country has, say, 3 networks, you wouldn’t want customers of any of them - or even owners who switch network later - to lose service because of a bug that wasn’t tested for beforehand.

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Well the networks don’t have to but if they don’t vet an update it’s more likely to have glitches. The main point is that Fairphone release the updates via the networks so you are bound to a large degree on when you get an update dependent upon which network you buy into.

The option otherwise is that after Fairphone have ‘enough’ feed back from networks they offer a download via their website and you can install it manually.

It doesn’t mean it is absolutely sorted to your network, Vodafone, although partnering with Fairphone often seem to have issue in Germany. EE in the UK always seems to get it very quickly without any issues :crossed_fingers:

Is the new version of LineageOS that appears to be available for the FP4 based upon Android 12?

LineageOS isn’t officially available now, but it will be based on Android 12.

See here:

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i was watching Fairphone 4 for some time and wanted to know that will this phone get android 12? i’ve not seen it’s name on android 12 update list.

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Hi and welcome, yes its being worked on and will hopefully come in Q4

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So, somewhere in this thread I saw a few comments about the count of Google tests.

Assuming I have a good knowledge on these based on my past experiences, I’d like to give you more clear picture on them.

Let’s just use active Fairphone devices for now.

So its,
FP2 - running Android 10
FP3 - running Android 11
FP4 - running Android 11

But, FP2 is a 32bit device where as FP3 and FP4 are 64bit devices

Since FP2 is a 32 bit device with a Lollipop launch, it does not support VTS(Vendor Test Suite) or CTS-on-GSI but since both FP3 and FP4 are post Pie launch, they have these two suites in addition to CTS + GTS(GMS Test Suite) + STS(Security Test Suite).

FP2
CTS - 477000 approx + GTS - 2600 approx + STS - 900 approx

Now let’s come to Android 11 64 bit devices
CTS - 1659750 approx + GTS - 3900 approx + STS - 950 approx + VTS - 119900 approx + CTS-on-GSI - 152400 approx

Now, the same devices if I have to give an overview on Android 12!(Note: There’s no reference for this and these numbers are just an estimation)
CTS - 2292200 approx + GTS - 3900 approx + STS - 980 approx + VTS - 114600 approx + CTS-on-GSI - 165200 approx

Then how will it be for Android 13??
A very high level CTS run on FP3 is showing me the count as 2673000 approx but I shall get the exact count later.

So yes, the Google certification process is a very complicated step in a dessert release for Android. Even a single failure out of these millions of tests will be sufficient for Google to reject the build from getting certified.

Besides this, as someone already touched upon, the operator approval. They too would be having some requirements that has to be satisfied before they accept the build and make it available to their users.

On top of this would be the user visible/ user facing issues that would be addressed from time to time.

I hope I have given you all a brief overview on the process. Do let me know if you have any queries and I would be happy to answer them.

Thanks.
TeamB58.

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Will regular GSM call improve ?
I am really in need of a functional fairphone 4 .
Latest update have improved a lot, but still call quality is much better over data like signal.

Will updating android 12 make the situation even worse ?

That’s either a driver / firmware issue or related to carrier compatibility.
Android 12 isn’t likely to change anything in that regard, only if the underlying proprietary bits, that would fix it, happen to be shipped at the same time.

I’m running A12 on my FP4 and I regularly talk to a family member who’s running stock FPOS A11.
But over VoLTE, same carrier (Congstar / T-Mobile), no problems whatsoever, it does work…
…when you don’t have to use GSM :see_no_evil:

I had to make a GSM call at some point, that wasn’t a pleasant experience. So no, A12 doesn’t magically fix things.

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4 posts were merged into an existing topic: Fairphone 4 bad signal. Especially Upload speeds & regular calls

Might as well just go for Android 13 directly IMO. It’s out already, and quite stable at that. Skip 12, go for 13, assuming you can get it out before the end of the year.

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That would be great, but I don’t believe it’s going to happen, maybe as a Christmas (or secular alternative) :gift:, one can dream :crossed_fingers: :smirk:

Yeah, A13 works fine on my FP4 as well (admittedly I haven’t been running it all that long), having to help my family member on stock FPOS A11 always feels like going back in time.

At this rate I’m going to be running Android 14 on mine before stock moves to 12…

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I must admit this is concerning to me. One of the selling features of the FP4, was longterm support. Like 3 to 5 android versions. Android 13 is out and we are still on Android 11?

I DO NOT want to get Android 12 tomorrow and wait another year for Android 13.

In the first statement you are worried about the future i.e. Long term support 3 to 5 issues. I think you may not have read much here as Fairphone have said 5 years and Androids 15. I will not provide links, you can look for them.

Second statement: You may not want to wait but ‘we’ are all waiting, most of us patiently and meanwhile doing really usefull things with our spare time. :slight_smile:

Hope you can weather the lack of an impending the hurricane Ann 12, that with turn up when least expected and totaly unapreciated as it will probably blow your roof off.

So while you wait have a nice day or year.

All the best

:rofl:

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I get your frustration, Fairphone seems to be moving at a glacial pace sometimes, but long term support doesn’t mean OS upgrades.

Android 11 is still supported by Google, even Android 10 isn’t EOL yet. I don’t like it either, but that’s what long term support probably looks like, keep running a supported version.

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