From that point of view, a refurbished is always better…
I have recently seen three people in my immediate vicinity with refurbished smartphones in the good to very good class.
When I look at that and what they paid in the end, only refurbished will be an option for me in the future.
I won’t put the money on the table for what the things currently cost new. I am not crazy.
And it is always sustainable
But now I have my fp4 and hopefully the next 5-6 years
Interesting. I used to do that before I got my FP4. But buying a two year old refurbished flagship won’t give you an awful lot of updates anymore. Messing with a custom ROM often makes your phone insecure. And opening the phone to replace a degrading battery will leave you with an actual IP rating well below that of the FP4.
Posted on the 17th of December.
“Prerequisites: Unlocked bootloader…”
Well, that was the main issue.
Why do people keep posting that XDA thread, when we have the OG topic with a lot more discussion / information right here on this forum? 
Why? Because they can. Stop thinking about such things… 
That has its information spread out randomly across about 100 comments. This is much clearer: Fairphone 4 – Root -December 2021 – Stijn D'haese
I agree, that’s a great tutorial, but the thread still has value if people are searching for context or run into problems others have faced before them.
This is getting OT, I’ll stop, sorry.
And all is based on @hirnsushi work documented in this forum. And beside the discussion thread, we also have a debloat wiki #fp4guides summarizing all useful related topics and information.
A few days later. Point being that if you look this topic up for about 5 minutes you’ll have every information you need. It just seems that you didn’t even try learning about it.
I’m not sure that is helpful and I’m pretty sure Fabian did try but maybe didn’t reach the level of your understanding.
All the best 
My fault, I wrote this xda tutorial, expressly giving your credit and mentioning fairphone forum in an attempt to create emulation around this great device.
Lot of people, including me, have xda as main reference when it comes to phones customisation/root.
In my personal case when I started hearing about fairphone I was very hesitant to buy one as I couldn’t find any resources about root on xda. I never imagined there could be another place than xda for complete flashing instructions.
I was wrong 
No worries, I for one really don’t care about being credited for some random lines of text others can throw together in 5 min just as easily 
I’d just rather have people coming to this forum, where the community is way more welcoming, than trying to get help in the void that is XDA these days.
Agreed agreed… old habits die hard.
Things are constantly moving around here that’s fur sure. Hopefully we’ll get more people to gather around here.
Well yes, but on the other hand - again there need to be reasons to question if its (high) price is justified…
There’s no “one to satisfy them all” model and there will never be any.
Yes the price!
I put that down to Fair rights and wages with s bit on the side for modularity. All pretty well laid out in Fairphone bumpf.
Will see if i can find a link
I fully agree. That’s for the core values Fairphone started off its business after all. After being in business for that long, I still cannot get rid of the impression that specifically these core values are yet so less weighted even by some customers.
It never was about offering a premium model to cope with the big players having their focus mainly on specs and eye candy while keeping silence about all this exploitation and such going on along the supply chain.
These facts seems to be the hardest to be explained comprehensive again and again to some customers no matter how obvious they are expressed and proven.
Upgradability never was fixed but “optional” depending on future developments. Among these values (I once posted my email reply from FP partly about this point here in the past - before I funded the FP2), repairability however was and one part along the way luckily was able/had to be upgraded too. I don’t see what’s so hard on accepting the facts and reconsider personal expectations.
By reading official information about Fairphone and questioning them for clearance in advance I knew what I was paying several hundreds of € for and what I could expect, so c’mon.
Nicely expressed, thanks 
We should not forget one need to pay people to keep up to date the software for so many years.
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