Exactly, and because of that, it should be possible to state no preference (which opa did not allow). Forcing someone to put #6 #7 and #8 in their correct order when they do not care about these causes negligence.
FIRST (and in my opinion most important in this case): it is just an opinion poll and not exactly decision making. As the poll states:
(Bold face by me!)
Some additional thoughts on the last point in discussion:
But does this really make it more fair or exact or better. Can you be sure, that this 11th preference is a preference and not just a filling up of vote counts? As you can see from the count rigth now, there are 1,519 voters, but just 2,669 votes. Therefore 369 voters (24.3%) cast just one vote and did not use up teir votes.
I easily could cast eleven votes for colors, but I honestly could not exactly order eleven colors by my liking. And if you give me 50 colors to chose from, I will most likely struggle to name the 11 prefered ones. The longer the list, the harder to do (for me, that is).
So, how about everyone can pick up to 50 colors from the RAL palette. Would that yield a more accurate result? And if someone just loves one color, can this person cast 50 votes on that color.
Try to find a voting system, that is transparent and fair and takes everything into consideration. You will make a fortune, if you happen to find one. There are so many voting systems out there, all having their pros and cons and being adjusted time and again …
This is an interesting subject you wouldn’t expect to find in a place like this, but considering the contingent I’m not surprised either. Voting sucks if everyone has a vote Plato thought… Any place any country those who lose voting assume the worst, rigged votes, wrong voting system, or disinformation, which probably are all true to an extent. An yet it kind of works, but not really, just enough not to blow up into anarchy. But people get a kick out of it too, it’s fun while it lasts.
Yes, people do research on this stuff. An example metric is to count the number of disagreements between votes and the result (e.g. if black comes out higher than red in the result, you count the number of people who disagree, then do the same for all pairs of colours and total those numbers). Lots of other factors come in though, such as complexity, as exemplified by your next comment:
I set up that vote in a way that required you to rank all the colours, on the assumption that most people can probably rank eight different colours for preference. I could have chosen otherwise, and left you free to only vote for red if you wanted. That’s fine, and it’s also the case in the Irish vote: those five thousand voters didn’t need to, but they cared enough about their last three options to rank them.
In the UK every time preference/proportional voting comes up the media say “ohh but it’s so complicated people won’t understand”, but it seems that in Scotland, Wales, Ireland and most of Europe the population can cope. I agree that being forced to rank all of 50 colours would be pretty tough, but eh, we have eight.
I also agree that ultimately this is a lot of fuss about nothing. I was just pointing out that a flawed poll will give you flawed results.
Just to be clear, OpaVote does allow that, it was me who chose not to allow it!
Hi @BertG, apologies for being so slow. I was really excited to read all the in-depth feedback in this comment thread and then got stuck doing everything but this. Anyways… Thanks so much for pretty much filling in for me, along with @urs_lesse, @paulakreuzer, @Stefan and so many other awesome community members helping out with questions.
About the specific question: It’s exactly like you suggested above - A (bio based) rubber protective case, that wraps around the side of the phone, like the bumper would, but covers the back as well. There are currently no plans to offer alternative back covers, as we’re focussing on more functional accessories first and a lot of you have been asking for a proper protective case
I’m in the office for the rest of the week, so available for more Q&A’s, if there’s anything on your mind. And that counts for everyone else too :slight_smile
Appreciate the support @BertG
Also keep in mind anyone can register multiple times with sockpuppets, proxies, and the like.
Wow! Let’s start with this: Thanks for providing some context to this poll @BertG. Like @lorahaspels wrote in our initial post, this was meant to give our community the chance to chime in, be heard and get first access to shape our internal discussion - with a poll, but also the great discussion happening in the comment thread - when it then comes to producing these cases. It was never about highest vote-count wins, no matter what.
However, I do understand where you’re coming from @conrad and that’s certainly a great suggestion we will look into for future polls, where the topic calls for a different format. To a certain extent, I understand and share your frustration with these systems overall - especially in the current global political situation.
I’d like to take this chance to take a step back and paraphrase @existentionaut: One of the many things that make this forum amazing is that a post on protective case colors turns into a civilized debate about the fundamentals and ethics of voting. That’s brilliant! And it speaks to the type of community that gathered around Fairphone. I personally did not expect it to go there, but that does not mean that I don’t value you challenging us on this and pointing it out. The same goes for the back and forth on this comment thread. Really makes me proud to be a part of the community and I’ll work to free up more time for these discussions in the future, as I’m now a little late to the party.
Long story short: Kudos to everyone on this discussion for the great feedback, the critical questions and the challenges. We will follow up with a blogpost detailing our decision on the cases soon.
Please feel free to reach out to me or any of us, if you have further questions, input, concerns and/or advice.
Translucent is popular as expected.
Did already go some thought into the letters at the back of the phone in case a translucent cover gets produced? …
@AnotherElk - yeah, I know the product team is aware of the issue with the letters on the back case, so they’re addressing that right at the source of production. I’ve read a bunch of comments on here saying that the translucent cover makes a lot of sense and it’s also ranking quite well, so I’m expecting it to go into production. And we won’t leave people hanging who have been affected by the quality issue. Since we’re still in the design exploration phase, I can’t say for certain what the solution is - perhaps the logo is em- or debossed in the actual case in a way that would work for everyone that still has all of their letters, as well as people walking around with an “-airp-on-”
I’ll be sure to check in with our product team, and update everyone here, once we know more!
Hi @robbert.f - that is an interesting question and you can be sure, that we’re carefully researching and considering all of our options, especially when it comes to materials used and the production process. Food for thought - would it be interesting to tell/show what exactly goes into making these covers, as a more accessible/simpler example for the bigger picture of (smartphone) production and the decisionmaking that goes into designing and creating (new) products as sustainably as possible?
Probably worth taking into account the entire life cycle. Black plastic (depending on the dye) is reportedly more difficult to recycle because it does not work well with the laser technology used in the automated sorting of plastic types.
What about those biodegradable hemp, coffee etc. materials, I keep seeing them popping up on etsy and only for iphones naturally ew, but have no clue how they are made. Me personally I’m drawn to wood.
Good point @Johannes. I have full confidence in the product team, when it comes to these questions. And while I don’t have the full overview of all variables being taken into consideration, this sounds like an essential that is most definitely on their radar.
Lots of good questions. I will catch a member of the product team and chase down some answers for you.
A related question: will the protective rubber bumper be available as a spare part?
Did you really mean to type “banner”? Do you mean the bumper that comes with all new FP3s?
Oh right, that’s what it’s called. Thanks
Good question @username_redacted (and great name ) - Gotta be honest, I’m not sure. I’ll go and find someone who does know and get back to you!
Thanks, and thanks