Sorry, aber das ist doch einigermaßen unfair.
Fairphone hat doch gezeigt, dass es für 500 Euro geht, ein vernünftiges faires Smartphone auf den Markt zu bringen. Die Entscheidung ein High-End Gerät für 1000 Euro zu teuer zu finden ist doch absolut nachvollziehbar.
Es ist eben einfach nicht richtig, dass nur ein solches High-End-Gerät nachhaltig und langlebig ist. Das beste Beispiel dürfte das FP 1 sein, das immer noch wunderbar läuft. Allenfalls die fehlenden Sicherheitsupdates könnten ein Problem sein, so dass ich das Telefon sicher nicht für Online-Banking nutzen würde. Aber von der Leistung her reicht das für mich heute immer noch. Da reicht allerdings für mich selbst mein 15 Jahre altes Sony Ericsson Dumbphone locker aus.
Wenn man natürlich damit Videos drehen und immer die neuesten Spiele spielen will, dann wird vermutlich tatsächlich das High-End Gerät erforderlich sein. Dieses Nutzungsprofil beschreibt aber vermutlich nicht die Mehrheit der Käufer des FP.
Nun ja, zu schrumpfen oder gar Pleite zu gehen plant wohl kaum ein Unternehmen, insofern teilt Fairphone sicher deine Hoffnung. 
Die Antwort finde ich voellig deplatziert. Vielleicht zitierst du mich hier aber blosz unabsichtlich?
Wenn ich nicht das FP3 gekauft haette, so haette ich mir wohl ein Nokia 2.2 gekauft und mir somit ~400 Euro gespart. Nun habe ich mir aber das FP3 gekauft, und das nicht wegen der besseren Hardware usw. Sprich ich bin durchaus bereit mehr zu zahlen fuer “gerechtere” Produkte.
Das hat aber auch seine Grenzen, bei 1000 Euro waeren die (fuer mich) laengst ueberschritten.
Ich denke ehrlich gesagt auch, dass jemand der sich ein guenstiges Handy kauft und die Differenz zum Kostenpunkt eines FP3 an eine oder mehrere der auf Best Charities to Donate to - The Life You Can Save gelisteten Organisationen spendet insgesamt mehr fuer eine gerechte(re) Welt tut als ich mit dem Kauf des FP3.
Deshalb mag ich “Social-Media” eigentlich nicht so.
Alle reden irgendwie aneinander vorbei und es entsteht so eine “Abwehr-Angriff-Haltung”.
Das war mehr so an den Großteil der Allgemeinheit gerichtet, weil ich deine Aussage gedanklich mehr dahin eingeordnet habe.
Dass du natürlich das FP aus gut gemeinten Gründen gekauft hast, ist für mich selbstverständlich klar.
Higher price equals more premium product results in less people buying the device results in less volume therefore less profit per device and less people running around with a Fairphone.
The price question is of huge importance. Ie. with your example, I don’t believe a 1000 EUR smartphone is for middle class.
Yes, that’s the point. There should be a high class product for 1000€.
And also the 500€ middle class should be available.
It wouldn’t gain any meaningful volume. So it would not contribute to the cause of Fairphone much. Fairphone decided to not opt for a luxury product (even though there’s tons of rich people who care about environment); they instead went for a good enough product more suitable for the masses and middle class (the poor cannot afford either smartphone).
I actually hope the next Fairphone is going to be even cheaper, so that more people can afford it.
Ja genau das meine ich ja, das Ziel sollte sein, dieses “Nutzungsprofil” zu erweitern.
Denke ich hier vielleicht in zu utopischen Ausmaßen?
I think good work should be payed well!
By the few people who can afford it? Seems like elitism. That’s the game Apple is in, with their insane margins. Fairphone doesn’t have these, and they partly have to adhere to Dutch wages.
it should not be the case that companies outdo each other with minimal improvements at the expense of the environment or the workers.
But I think we agree that every mobile phone in the world should be a Fairphone.
And there Fairphone(the company) can claim to be a competitor to the big players.
I hope deepl does good work, my english is not the best 
Thing is, smartphones get more powerful every year. The mid-range of this year, are the high range of a year ago. The big players get high market share with their cheaper low-end and mid-range smartphones. So I’d rather have a cheaper Fairphone.
Which features do you miss on the FP3? What kind of features would you want to see in your 1000 EUR Fairphone?
But to get a cheap product you have two options:
- produce lower quality or
2.(like the most other companies) produce higher quality, but don’t care about environmental impact and the income of the workers.
I think all of these points should be high level.
And remember : I didn’t say that FP is low quality.
I am proud to own one!
But i would buy a high quality FP.
And as a construction worker, i am not very rich and for sure not elitary 
Option #2 is not within our scope, so we can safely disregard it.
Option #1 needs to be put into context. Consider a new Fairphone iteration. It would have to be build and tested. By the time it is available for release, we’d be 2 years later. At that point, the current high-range hardware is mid-range (for price/performance). So if you buy a mid-range smartphone in 2022, you actually buy a high-range smartphone you’d have bought in 2020. It follows that the FP3, from 2019, is a “high-range smartphone of 2017”. But a new FP4 is going to come out in say 2023, 4 years after the release of FP3, which was also released some 4 years after the FP2.
You could also compare the price of FP3 (450 EUR) to the price of FP2 (530 EUR). Disregarding inflation, is FP3 lower quality than FP2 because it is lower price? It is more powerful.
It follows that a new mid-range Fairphone in 2022 or 2023 or whatever is going to be far more powerful. And at some point, good is good enough. Do you really need a 4k screen with 144 Hz refresh rate on a smartphone? Or does 1080p with 90 Hz suffice? I guess you’re saying the Fairphone isn’t high quality enough. Again, what are you missing out on?
Rugged smartphone might be better then. They’re easier to make waterproof as well, though more difficult to repair (and keep waterproof).
Ok, das ist jetzt nur eine Umfrage + es gibt sicher auch noch mehr und womöglich mit anderen Ergebnissen, aber hier wollen nur 5% mehr als 500€ für ihr Smartphone ausgeben:
Ja klar, da steht ja auch “wollen”.
Aber schau mal wie viele dieser 800-1000€ I-Phones dann doch immer wieder auf’s Neue verkauft werden.
Und es wird ja auch erwähnt, dass teurere Mobil-Tarife durchaus gewählt werden um die besten Handys anfangs mal “gratis” oder günstiger dabei zu haben.
Ok, don’t get me wrong.
I like my FairPhone very much.
What this Company is doing here is great.
But I would like to buy a phone like an I-Phone maybe(less reboots, no hot battery, powerful, and not that Gameboy-Feeling in your hands), but produced in fair and sustainable conditions!
And for that 1000€ would be “FAIR”.
I don’t have an FP yet, my “old” OnePlus 6 still does the job until the battery dies … So I can only tell what I expect/need, pick those that FP3 can’t do yet 
- HDMI output (is missing on OP6)
- 3.5 jack (bt headsets always die when you don’t need it)
- Blutooth Support for car systems (telphone …)
- sd card for memory and be able to share folders without rooting (not possible on OP6)
- great camera (insurance proof pics = my buisness case, workx for OP6)
- full support for all banking apps (no lineage or rooting …)
- 2 SIM possible
- 5G when available (yes, I have a case for this …)
- being able to replace battery / screen / camera “on the fly” (things that business notebooks do offer, not Apple btw)
- multiple user profiles (eg. differentiate between private, business and “kids” use)
- as stable as possible = yes, I would pay for “special support” and extra software! Actually that’s how I earn my money
- Hotspot and VPN support
- no bloadware
- having a kind of calm confidence when spending money for the device
hth
I actually hope the next Fairphone is going to be even cheaper , so that more people can afford it.
I would say "I hope the next FP has more configuratione options / is more flexible so that more people are going to buy it.
But I see your point but I doubt that FP is a product that needs a low price to be sold. Thinking & buying “fair” is unfortunately a 1st world option
You are right.
But i think it should be possible to buy one middle-class phone for a “normal price” (like it is now).
And on the other side there should be a “more expansive” high-class-model for those people who want to and can afford it! (I am sure there is a market for this)
I guess, first of all, the Fairphone 3 has to become really successful. They have to reach the target to sell 100k phones a year and make the brand known in the market.
Then - and in my opinion only then - can they start selling more than one phone.
Maybe the announcement on August 27th will help the brand.
Another device like a (modular) FairTab would most likely be a mark and a signal to be recognized (at least more, than just another phone - in my opinion).
So, my bet would be, that another or an additional phone is still a few years away.
But, of course, I might be totally wrong (possibly proved wrong in 4 days time already