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General Fairphone 3 discussion

@JeroenH you can add the iFixit review I linked above and this TechRadar one to your list: https://www.techradar.com/news/fairphone-3-brings-eco-friendly-materials-to-a-modern-budget-smartphone

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A strange question maybe: Will there be different colors like for the FP2?

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I also don’t like the translucent cover

Oooops! You’re totally right! Let’s just say it’s out of reach for most brands then

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Any idea how many FP3 units have been sold already? I guess it’s many as the earliest shipping date has been increased from “mid-September” to “early October” [shop.fairphone.com]. That is good news actually :star_struck:

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Just a few hours ago (aroung noon), it was still “late-September”.
So it really seems to sell.

My daughter is using an iPhone 5S and she still receives Software Updates. 5 year software gurantee does not seem very special.

It is, in Android-world. iOS - while worse in some regards, like openness - is better in this regard for sure. Even the very special Android One* only promises 2 major OS upgrades and 3 years of security updates - from the release date! So if you buy a device with Android One installed 12 months after the initial release, you are already down to 2 years of security updates and like only one major OS upgrade.

One thing to note regarding iOS, the cheaper iPhone 5C, which was released the same day as the 5S stopped receiving updates 2 years ago**

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
- nevertheless is the OS support significantly longer for these phones by Apple controlling the hard- and the software.

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A 2008 laptop? That’s awesome, congrats!

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True, because it was a 32-bit ARM SoC (Apple A6) while Apple ditched support for all 32-bit ARM SoCs in iOS. The iPhone 5S and iPhone 6 are 64-bit ARM SoCs but their support gets ditched in September with iOS 13. The iPhone 5S and iPhone SE have received rather long-term support, but that is hindsight 20/20, and there hasn’t been a successor for this physically smaller format. With a Fairphone 3 you know you’ll receive 5 years official support.

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I have always loved the unique, chunky, modular design on the FP2. The modular design especially, because it was a world-first and really made the phone stand out. So I’m disappointed that it’s taking a backseat now: in the techcrunch article they called the FP2 modularity “radical” and said that the company had decided to turn it down somewhat for the FP3. I was hoping instead they’d make it even more modular, i.e: make it so more components have a module to themselves. But I respect Fairphone’s decision. They’re probably doing what is best for themselves as a business and therefore for the industry in general.

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I disagree with the techcrunch article. Instead of a combined bottom module (primary microphone and charging) in the FP2, the FP3 has 2 separated modules. I find this a big improvement.

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It is possible to do this with older ThinkPads. There’s a bunch which are x86-64 (as x86-32 is insecure and gets removed as well from Linux distributions), yet with the ability to remove Intel ME, replace BIOS with Coreboot, and running a full-blown GNU/Linux distribution with no proprietary software. All the hardware is supported. See https://minifree.org

If you run a Mac <= 2015 laptop, these also remain working for a long time (some longer than other, see hereunder), but they too get more difficult to repair with each iteration. Louis Rossman, a known independent Apple repair technician, recommends either the ThinkPad P-series or (for those who really desire a Mac) the 2014 MBP because it has the least amount of hardware flaws. I went with the 2015 13"/15" because it has a better TrackPad. Haven’t found anything close near to its quality in Windows/Linux-land.

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Only because people had issues with the MicroUSB connector and the mic. I expect the USB-C connector to last longer than an average MicroUSB connector but we can’t know it beforehand.

thanks, i didn’t see that the spec paragraph could be “opened” :frowning: !
As i am quiet waves sensitive, it is shame for me that the SAR body is so high. if the value would have been under 0,7, I would have ordered one…
I have to reconsider… but anyway thank for this projet. If you have plan to reduce the SAR please communicate on this. Waves exposure is far more important than man wants to let us know… all the best.

I am very happy to hear that Fairphone is taking a step forward and trying to make a more durable and solid device for a broader audience. From what I can see it has good specs that would suit the average user. However, I am still amazed to read in this forum so many people being “upset” for not having 5G, wireless charging, etc. I think this people got to the wrong forum, because Fairphone’s goals are not to compete with the big phone companies and being “trendy”. They want to do things right, or as well as they can. I understand that those two specs/features some people ask for, might be future-proofing the phone, but I don´t see the need for them as 4G, for example, is very fast at the moment. On top of that, there is still a lot of concern about the 5G environment in terms of how good or evil IoT will be and it´s a technology that will need some years to mature and establish around the globe (really few countries will have 5G truly implemented before mid-2020).

I had a few problems with my FP1U device recently and I decided to buy a second-hand Xiaomi A2 Lite, as I think having Android One will allow me to be future-proof for a long while. I was really hesistant to get a phone that was not Fairphone, but I urgently needed a backup phone in case my Fairphone 1 decided to stop working forever. I´m keeping it for emergency situations or for trips where I don´t need the latest technology in my pocket.

Another important idea/concept that people are mentioning here is that “if your current phone works alright, don´t get rid of it” (I guess, unless you think you can sell/give it to a person that you now is going to use it for a long term). In my humble opinion, this is the message that Fairphone should also send to the world (together with fair source materials and fair labor, of course), as most people forget how valuable a phone is in reality. This goes along the lines of the price of the FP3: it´s expensive (no doubts abour that), but due to its characteristics and the story behind it, it´s well worth it.

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Thank you so much. That clears things up.

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They do :wink:

https://www.fairphone.com/en/2019/05/20/the-most-sustainable-phone-is-the-one-you-already-own/

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4G added more speed in a time when this was required, as well as lower battery usage and less overhead. I’m not sure what 5G brings to the plate. Been asking for use cases from people who desire it. Got none.

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I only realize today that there’s one question that seems very obvious to me now: Will this really just be earphones or will the set include a microphone? With a smartphone, the latter would actually appear the more natural offer.

I just noticed that Faircustomer in Switzerland now offers the earphones in their shop for a 44.90 CHF price tag. This suggests it might cost around 40 EUR (my estimate) in Fairphone’s own shop once it arrives there. Besides, this surprisingly low price tag seems to also reinforce the assumption that it is indeed earphone-only (i.e. without a microphone).

Of course, the best news would be if you had the choice between a plain one-direction audio cable and one including a microphone … (Please don’t miss that THIS PART IS SPECULATION).

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The cable looks like the standard earplug cable used by Shure or Ultimate Ears. So even if Fairphone doesn’t ship a cable with microphone, you can replace it easily.

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