I have no problem having to pay for an unlock feature like that, as long as companies are upfront about it (“in-app purchases” aren’t; they’re shady). Same with ability to run [official] SailfishOS on a smartphone.
Very bad news for me. On my side I first had an FP1, which came google-free by default -all of them; then I only bought FP2s for my family once I was sure that OpenOS was available (to be installed, and not by default alas).
What you are reminding us is, Fairphone waited 1.5 year before releasing this for FP2s.
I am not very active on this forum because the only reason os to check on this very piece of info. Today I was checking with the idea of switching my elder son’s FP1 for Christmas… it seems I have zero chance indeed…
Count again .
I’m interested in buying a Fairphone3 but I would like to know if it will support Ubuntu Touch. I like the idea of using an open-source OS and I think it’s compatible with the idea of a ethical phone.
Thank you in advance.
I’m not aware that anybody is already porting Ubuntu Touch to the FP3 and Fairphone hasn’t released the sources yet. So I assume it will take some time. And as far as I know there are difficulties for an UT port regarding phones released with Android 8 or later.
this sounds way too apodictical and ideological to me. Ever thought about that a project like Fairphone simply could not exist without Google’s investments into Android and the ecosystem?
@teezeh Probably not, but Fairphone could still exist without installing G00gle Spyware on their phones like they did on FP1. In fact, this would make software development a lot easier since they could skip all the bulky G00gle-certification-bs, as we learned in a workshop at the #efct19.
That’s not what @teezeh said. Thomas mentioned the investments of Google into Android and has a point. Since a lot of the people working on Android, probably most, don’t pay their rent and groceries with love and respect by the open source community, but with their well payed ( I assume) Google Engineering Jobs. Believing Android would be such a flexible and secure operating system without Google is not very realistic. I would not even exist.
That is probably true - but that does not make the facts any better. There are very good reasons to consequently prevent Google from knowing us better than we ourselves do (in the long term I do not at all think this is an exaggeration). The solution in my opinion: let’s pay for an OS - money, not data.
I had started offering FP2 in my shop and to clients/customers because FP2 worked fantastic with UBPORTS but than when I tried to order FP2 it was stopped.
Now after receiving my FP3 and found it working only with GOOGLE I stopped recommending and selling Fairphones. For me there is no way instead of using OpenSource and known services in the EU. I will let my friends at BÜNDNIS90/DIE GRÜNEN know about it.
I really do not know what to do with my new FP3.
OK, I agree. But, in my opinion, before blaming Fairphone, I would like to hear some practical solution.
One can not really expect a company as small as Fairphone to be developing a fairer, modular smartphone plus a new OS.
They have to sell those devices as well!
Look at Huawei for addressing this task and compare them to FP.
So let’s be fair to Fairphone as well.
So, working conditions, social responsibility and environmental impact should come second to an open OS for Bündnis 90/Die Grünen?
I really don’t hope so!
Yeah, this approach will certainly make things better in the long run, I guess.
Making an uninformed choice, deciding to want everything right now discarding what might still come, ranting and raving to each and everybody about it … consequence: Everything stays like it is, nobody gives better concepts a chance. Keep buying your Apples and Samsungs and Huaweis instead.
I will continue using my FP2. I also recommend not using Google and other non opensource OSes.
Yes, Fairphone is the only way, but using it, needs an acceptable operating system.
On the one hand I decide for the only acceptable hardware but not having an acceptable software.
We should do everything possible to get Ubuntu Touch or any other OpenSource OS running.
This is a non emotional statement. Please have a look to the voting for alternative OSes for the FP3.
For governments it is absolutely necessary to use an open and secure OS.
Friends from a political party does not equal government.
And government on the other hand is a rather wide term lacking precision.
I wonder, how many “governments” are using an open and secure OS.
That really sums it up for me as well.
'Cause what’s the alternative, if you don’t have a FP2 to keep, that @gabreitenbach is recommending? If it’s just to not use ‘non-open’ OSs, then it’s placing personal privacy over environment. That’s OK, but not my choice and not one “Die Grünen” should chose as a general rule, personal choice is another piece of cake.
Why Ubuntu Touch specifically, and not say SFOS, AOSP-based OS, PostmarketOS, or PureOS?
SFOS is not completely FOSS, but open enough for Russian government to trust it.
Why not serve majority on market who prefer Android, and then allow community ports of alternative OS?
This way, you enable everyone to have their own choice, while still going for the main goal (a fair smartphone).
Anyway, if you’d like to see an alternative OS port for FP3, then perhaps get in touch with people who can port and put your money where your mouth is by setting up for a donation for the porter(s).
That’s part of the problem. Even if Fairphone supported one of these, there will always be very vocal people saying another choice would have been way better… It’s been the same discussion with every Fairphone. I still have the same position:Tackle one problem at a time. There are other companies trying to start an open source os. If they succeed in establishing a market share that is relevant, there might be a possibility for an open source os on a Fairphone. Until that happens…
May I step in here (again) with my personal “solution”:
On my FP3 I blocked gougel as far as possible, and kept away anything personal such as contacts a, s, o., and any app that has to do with communication/messaging.
That kind of stuff is found on an used Galaxy S5 running Lineage, without GApps.
So I can wait patiently for an Open OS, and if there’s a possibility to support the respective developers directly, I will gladly do so. Maybe there are others here who would like to do similar, so it would become worthwile.
On my side I will see if I can assist the UBports-Project to get a OpenSource OS.
I would love for the Fairphone 3 to come with or be compatible with ∕e∕ OS. It would be a great collaboration that brings sustainability and privacy.
+1! For /e/OS