FP2 - 8MP camera OV8865

You are absolutely right: but with the same sensor size, I prefer a camera with more megapixel. If I want smaller pictures, simply I downscale the default camera resolution.

The same discussion I had some years ago when the first camera phone (if I don’t remember wrong, Nokia 7650) coming to market: some people said they did not need a camera on a phone, and now, about 10 years later, some people don’t need a powerful camera on his phone; I respect your opinion, but I disagree: I WANT the better camera possible on my smartphone, given that I use it a lot for all kinds of things. It’s not discriminatory, but better is the camera more I am happy. I don’t want a smartphone with a crappy camera.
It’s the juice of forums: the different point of view. :wink:

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The more pixels the more detail :blush:
On smartphones the best 8MP cameras (best sensor/lens) can’t do as good as the best 16MP cameras (best sensor/lens).
Conclusion of this article:

“The Apple iPhone 6 […] 8MP sensor is holding back the camera.”

The iPhones4/5/6 have excellent 8MP camera, but it just can’t do as good as the excellent 16MP cameras of GalaxyS6 or Note4. It was time for Apple to go to 12MP camera module (6S).

Not exactly :blush: Lumia 1020 (41MP) saves either a 5MP processed picture, or saves both the 38MP shoot and 5MP processed picture.
Exceptional picture quality (but slow processing/saving on this old phone).

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Can i ask what for? In my opinion, the lens makes The photo. Can’t realy imagin what you do with such big photos… :smile:

Oh sure you can! I use to make photos of car, accidents (I am also a bus driver) documents (like a scanner, when I haven’t one at hand), building manifacturing (I am also a quantity surveyor, and I use the phone for a lot of photos on construction sites for later analysis of the work done), and even for funny use like when I see something strange I want to share it with my girlfriend or my friends. All this doesn’t require a wonderful camera, but better is the resolution and the quality better are the results

You still haven’t clarified why image size is important, not image quality.

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My question was more regarding what you need the size for.

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@kevr1990 @Felix_Specht
I do not think there is anything to more to argue here. I also have the feeling the discussion gets a bit unfair.
A 13MP camera is not necessarily better then a 8MP camera, nobody has questioned that. And nowhere does somebody write he/she prefers image size over quality. I fact, resolution becomes a factor in image quality pretty fast.
If both are equally well designed (and nobody do i read that @deedend whats to cramp more pixels at the same sensor size), it is clear that a 13MP camera can capture more details. That might not be relevant for wallpapers and small prints, but it quickly becomes a relevant quality factor when you start cropping or print out posters.

I think nobody is required to justify his or hers personal requirements here. There definitly is a desire for higher resolution and that is not something you can argue away.

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You are right, @Ben. Nice closing statement!

Another review of the Xiaomi Redmi2, which has the same camera sensor OV8865:
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_2-review-1202p8.php
This sensor is good hardware!
I am quite confident FP2 8MP will produce good pictures :smile: Better than FP1(U).

Soon we will have pictures from the FP2 itself!! :smile:

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You are totally right about the relative qualities of sensor. For example, the most highly professional but “old” camera NIKON D4S, with its “only” 16,2 Mpx sensor, still gives really better pictures than (in the same brand) the very last D3300 with its 24 Mpx sensor !
Because the associated software (its powerfulness and its computing ability and speed); because the size of the sensor (24x36 mm for the D4S, only 16x24 mm for the 3300 : easier to catch low lights for the 1st); because the sensitivity, the speed and the precision of the associated autofocus module; because the quality of the lens in front of your pixels, and so on… And I tell nothing, of course, about the photographer’s eye behind the camera! :wink:
FSo, for me, I actually prefer an “old good 8 Mpx” than a young and bright 20 Mpx… which gives us not a beautiful photo, with faithful colors and sharp details, but a vile swill for cat! :slight_smile:

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I found this information on the site of omnivision: http://www.ovt.com/download_document.php?type=sensor&sensorid=134 It sounds very promising I think (low light performance, being capable of RAW photography) doesn’t it? (although I don’t really understand the technical information)

Yep, we also had some discussion here. There is (I think) some more info here, but a lot of the picture quality these days depends on the hard- and software “behind” the camera sensor. So how well does the hardware (senor and SoC) and the software (often called the Software development kit (SDK)) work together?

And lot of interesting info for this “combined” working devices with the senor is not out there, yet.

The rest of the interesting info is “To Be Determined” :smile: So I guess we will only figure it out if we look at pictures made by a phone using the sensor. Right know I only now about the Xiaomi Mi 4, but I haven’t see a lot of pictures yet (Use flicker and search for pictures taken by a XIAOMI MI4 … no Xiaomi Redmi2 is the right one, as Fred already pointed out!).

[Update: I made a mistake, it’s the same SoC but a slightly better camera. The Elephone M1 & Xiaomi Redmi2 use the same sensor. The user “maniaK techManiaK.pl” has M1 samples on flicker.]

I didn’t want to create a new topic, I think it fits here and I couldn’t find a match to my problem.

So: I have installed two camera softwares. They are “Open Camera” and “A better camera”. I have installed them on my old Samsung S3 and on the Fairphone. Same version, same source (PlayStore)

What I would like to do is taking pictures in 16:9, and this in maximum resolution possible for this format. No problem on my S3. There I have 3264x2448 for 4:3 and 3264x1836 for 16:9 in both apps.
On the Fairphone the maximum resolution for 16:9 is 1920x1080, each.

So, my question would be, is it the actual hardware camera which provides possible resolution, or is it the Android system (firmware)?

Or more simple: is there anyone who knows how (if) I can get my 3264x1836 resolution on a camera app on a Fairphone?

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With Open Camera, the pictures I take have a 4:3 resolution of 3264 x 2448 (which makes 8 Megapixels).
The 16:9 maximum for me is also 1920 x 1080 (~ 2 MP). I don’t know where that comes from, though.

Hmm,

the same with stock app (Google Camera). I found a page refering to what the app can do:

However, the Fairphone only gives me 2,1 Mpxl. I hope that this can be fixed somehow. Everything else would quite scare me as I think I am kind of allergic to 4:3 formatted pictures. :flushed:

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Hello! Sorry for my english.

I have the version 2.5.052 of Google Camara and there no is 16: 9 8MP.

I hope this is resolved. Meanwhile I will try the OpenCamara.

I also want to comment that there is no gallery. It is within the Google Camara. Is not there a photo gallery application?

Thanks!

The Fairphone 2 comes preinstalled with Google Photos, which provides a gallery of the shot photos. Within the Google camera, I can only view shot photos when I shoot a new one.

Exact. You can only view photos within that of application. I wish there was an app without turning on the camera.

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Google Photos (that app with the windmill-shaped icon) does not turn on the camera.