Finalising the setup wizard without consenting to Google's TOS

I’m not sure that you can blame FP here, as its Googles TOS and I doubt FP has much influence on how to preent this, (but I have no experience with other Android Smartphones). And I dont know if the same would apply in such a case as it applies on a homepage

yes sure you must, because by setting up your phone you use it. There is no way to deinstall Google when you disagree, and this must happen when you disagree, else you can disagree and still use it, what I would also refuse as a company.

I doubt that support is the correct contact here, as you are having data protection doubts, I would contact the data protection officer named in the data protection policy.

Overall, if you dont want to agree to Google TOS you must buy a phone without official Android installed.

And I need to say, without being a lawyer specialist in data protection laws you or I will never ever understand the whole picture in detail. After GDPR was out, I have seen people shouting at their physicians as they thought with the new law they had the right to tell the physisicn to just destroy the whole patient file. However, there so many other laws in addition and partially overruling GDPR that such is just impossible, so overall there is a big misunderstanding out there around GDPR and my rights.

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I am mostly just here being sad there is so much yelling at Fairphone while Fairphone seems to be the only manufacturer to care enough to give alternative options in the first place. I am pretty sure that Fairphone doesn’t deserve this flack, they’re doing more than any other manufacturer. I can’t name a single other manufacturer that works together with people to deliver a Google-free OS for their devices. You should be angry at Google, cut Fairphone some slack.

Just return it and buy from /e/ if you hate having to press this button so much. Or buy a Pinephone. You’re honestly stirring up drama for nothing and I am not quick to say that.

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I think I’ll stick around and have another beer and popcorn :wink:

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There is. Fairphone advertises this feature. Here’s the guide (note: non of thisis possible without accepting to enter into agreement with Google): Bootloader Unlocking Code for Fairphone 3 - Fairphone

The physician case seems a bit extreme and silly. Wanting to leaving privacy-invasive advertising companies out of my phone sounds a lot more reasonable, IMHO.

I don’t see this as an alternative really: I’m fairly certain I’d have the EXACT same experience if I went to OnePlus. The big difference is that FairPhone pretends to be an alternative, but the produce I received is the exact opposite of how they present themselves.

@rae: I think we could use some official input here.

Apparently a user has to initially accept Google TOS before being able to take steps to remove the Google certified Fairphone OS.

Is this a procedure which could theoretically be changed by Fairphone?
Or would Fairphone be unable to do anything about this because the procedure is in place like this due to the Google certification or other binding factors?

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In my eyes both is silly and not reasonable and watching such situatuons make me think of a 5-year old lying on the supepermarket floor, crying and shouting because his mother does not want to by him whatever he wants.
Although I doubt Fairphones answer will make you happy, lets wait what they say. And then if you dont want to use it, instead of having it lying around unused, give it away to someone who would love to buy and use it, but doesn’t have the money.

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You seem to be saying you can uninstall Google once you agree to the initial terms, which is the same as the above ???

Maybe you misunderstood Yvmuell i.e you can once you have agreed, which from my experience on the FP3 was done before I had connected, so not an issue.

Then you should not buy an Android phone.

Best wishes,
Thomas

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You certainly can’t mean that all, even “degoogled”, Android OSes still have most of their code written by Google because Google is the steward of and main contributor to AOSP, on which all, even “degoogled”, Android OSes are based?
That could potentially be unsettling for the general public :slight_smile: .

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It is completely baffling to me that this thread still keeps on going.

I bought my Fairphone 4 with the awareness that it would ship with Google Services running on a Google developed OS by default, but I also knew I could just buy one from /e/ without Google Services preinstalled. I chose not to, because I’m a pragmatist (and wanted my phone sooner).

So this…

… is just wrong.

You could have bought a phone from /e/ that is developed in cooperation with Fairphone and does exactly what you want. I’m pretty sure OnePlus doesn’t offer that option to you (not to mention the fair part they won’t either).

No one in this thread works at Fairphone, but you still keep repeating the same points over and over again as if that would somehow change the situation at hand.
If you aren’t happy with your purchase decision, please #contactsupport and talk to someone who can actually do something about it.

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Given that there’s so much mixed information regarding e.foundation online, I reached out and asked a couple of questions. Their devices do indeed ship multiple programs that talk to Google out of the box. I’ve no idea what their interpretation of “deGoogled” and “unGoogled” is, but it’s definitely not what I assumed it was.

I’ve reached out to support – although they took a while to reply they’ve been very straightforward in replying all concerns and offered a refund, given that they don’t offer the product that I interpreted they offered.

try the others for FP4
iodé
calyxOS

Which ones? Or didn’t they say?

(I was surprised they already released App Lounge, their new App store integrating Aurora Store-like direct access to the Play Store, in the apparent state it is in to the dev channel, but the /e/OS stable channel will not get it for now, and its not mandatory to use it anyway.)

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I agree to what you are looking for, WhyNotHugo, and also for teezeh´s answer.
Let me bring in even one more quote:

Change is in your hands!

@WhyNotHugo :
If you don´t like to automatically agree to any of such dark pattern agreements that even lack a opt-out for a user (indeed opt-in is much more what we are looking for … :wink: ) then you shouldn´t point at any mobile phone manufacturer for that they ship a piece of software-OS within their hardware product which includes such methods … at least if you really want to make a change.

You got to dig a bit deeper since this complaint better should go to the ones that (intentionally :thinking:) created the mess: Google

If you think it´ll be a damn hard ‘David vs. Goliath’ if you -all alone- send Google a message instructing & convincing them to change their whole OS within this aspect …

→ why don´t you contact your local/county´s Data Protection Agency instead ?

Report to them and by that: enable & support them with your voice to start/strenghten campaings & take such actors to court

That´s a much better approach from my POV

There are several claims already ongoing against Google and the other ‘bad’ guys; in several countries/regions all over the world (at least several EU countries seem to be vanguard within this actually).
The people in these agencies literally earn their money by waiting for people like us to raise our voices - but in most cases you/we got to make the first move: raise your voice … before expecting change

Support them if you really want to make a change.

Best
DonFnord

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Hi,

I just received my brand new Fairphone 4. So I tuned it on, and followed the required steps:

  • Start => ok
  • Insert a sim => Skip (I’ll do that later)
  • Copy apps & data => Don’t copy
  • Sign with your Google account => No thank you (skip)
  • Are you sure you don’t want to share all your private data with Google => Yes, I’m pretty sure…
  • Accept Google ToS? => Mandatory step.

WTF? I refused every step involving Google and disabled everything (location, scanning, diagnostic data). And I still have to accept Google Terms of Service? Why?

I don’t intend to use anything from Google (except Android obviously, since Lineage will probably not be available any time soon). Will my beloved Fairphone send my personal data behind my back? Why is it google-infested by default and why have we no other out-of-the-box alternative?

I don’t suppose I can revoke anything once accepted (except by installing Lineage OS)?

This is very disappointing. I don’t remember having that mandatory step with my previous Fairphone 2. That said maybe my memory is not that good.

Yes, you’ve to accept it at least once (or you send it back and buy an FP4 from /e/OS or iodéOS). Then you can OEM unlock and install a custom ROM…
An extensive discussion about this question can be found here: Finalising the setup wizard without consenting to Google's TOS

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Install iodeOS and be happy

The point is that apparently you can’t install an alternative OS without getting through the initial setup first, including consent to the Google TOS.
@Volker already gave the correct answer. To stay with your iodéOS example, you would have to buy the phone with iodéOS already installed to get around the issue, if you perceive it as a real issue, which not everybody does.

Edit: I reopened this older topic and moved some posts over here to avoid duplicate topics.
@theocrite and @FairphoneHulk: Feel free to have a look at the past discussion here and continue.

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