140,000 units per year? Sounds optimistic?
Thanks for the feedback about the font. I’ll see what we can do.
And for everyone else - I’ll take on your feedback, for now enjoy the read!
Not once they expand their markets beyond europe. Most people outside europe don’t have a FP1!
There’s an article highlighting the FP2 cost breakdown over at the website of Dutch news broadcaster RTL Nieuws:
The article is entirely in Dutch but doesn’t really tell us anything we didn’t know. I guess the novelty here is that RTL News is probably Holland’s second biggest news broadcaster on TV.
CSV or Excel with company names anyone? Thanks. Nice info graphics btw.
I believe the cooperation with telco companies will make the phone much more visible in those markets so it will compete against other brands and maybe people will buy it.
As this cost is almost twice the FF1 one, it goes well beyond what I planned to offer to my sons and family members.
I remember asking wether there would be support for non-google OSes like Jolla’s Sailfish, but I’m not capable to even confirm the end-user will be root by default…
Any links to actual details?
I fear that short of strong incentives like the ones I described above, Fairphone is going to become a nice company I helped to start, but which now abandoned me, flying too high for me…
I am so puzzled by these kinds of comments I had to create an accound to answer you.
In my opinion, the prize of the FP2 reflects the cost of creating a product that is durable and “fairly fair” without being a mega-brand that can afford selling their products cheap as toiletpaper.
Fair consumption is not only about chosing a fair brand, it is also about not consuming high-tech products like they were toilet paper. I am shocked to see people considering a two-year-old mobil phone ready for the dumpster, and complaining about minor software details and design as a reason for ditching a fair phone.
Fair consumption does not come without you, me, all of us, changing our consumption patterns? We cannot buy new phones each year, we cannot expect to always have the newest and fanciest software. This lifestyle is payed for by those whose labor and surroundings are being used to produce our toys and status symbols.
I agree with your sentiment regarding the software comments by @Herve5, but it’s also completely understandable if someone feels that €525 is too much to spend on a device. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he wants a €525 device for €300.
Saruman, what you are saying and doing I started a couple of years ago already, and with Fairphone -which is why incidentally I didn’t need to create an account: I have one and have been active here for long.
What I am just seeing, is that the new Fairphone model costs twice the prevoius one, the one I have. It’s a fact.
And, well, it’s also a fact that I am not healthy enough to offer them to my three sons in these conditions.
I am not ashamed of this. These are facts.
My concern above came from these facts, specially the doubling in cost. That’s all.
Of course, you’re right - I also don’t have that kind of money at the moment.
I shouldn’t have directed my critique towards one specific person. My point was rather that we need to start considering hight-tech equipment as the luxury products they actually are, which means we have to use them until they break and not only until they are out of fashion, and save up in order to buy a new one.
Yes, I understand this. I couldn’t even afford the FP1 without saving up, so I am definitely not the person to shame others for not affording the FP2.
My point is only that a mobile phone IS already a luxury product, although it is today the workers who are paying for it and not the end consumers.
I may not have been clear enough. I won’t replace my Fairphone 1. I wished to offer new phones to my sons, who are close to replacing theirs (one is coming back from Canada to Europe with a locked canadian phone, another has an almost broken one at this moment…)
I fully agree with the lasting feature of the Fairphones.
Finally, on the matter of ‘fashion features’, I have been criticized on this very forum so many times (sometimes insulted, too) that you should check my position. I am clearly among the one that don’t like even OS updates. I just want a working phone and not the last fart app.
What I depict with examples like Jolla/Sailfish is entierely different.
Jolla, whose phones and tablets are not at all Fair hardware, does come with a feature almost unique in another area: their operating system, linux-based, is by no means linked to Google/Android nor Apple/IOS. This feature is extremely important to me, as much as the fairness of hardware procurement and buid. It’s a different feature, but really it’s very significant.
This is why I mentioned that an effort in Fairphone to get closer to e. g. Sailfish OS would have increased, for me, the value of Fairphone2. Leaving Google is not fashion for me, and I don’t find this possibility in FP2, only the (expected, not confirmed) idea that at least I’d be root on the machine, like on FP1.
Thank you, Herve5, for making this clear.
I hope you will find a solution for your sons - and there are probably much cheaper and even fairer solutions (buying second hand and if possible unlocking the Canadian phone).
Regarding the software problem, it was ignorant of me to assume your concern was merely a fashion preference. However, I still don’t think this is a reason to ditch the FP altogether. To me, this does not overshadow the issues of conflict-free mining and workers’ rights.
We will publish information about our progress on open software on Fairphone 2 in the next week(s). For now we have been communicating that the Fairphone 2 will be shipped with Android 5.1, not root by default, but users will be able to unlock the phone to root it.
The questions around an alternative operating system, publishing the source code and a version free of Google services will be discussed soon.
Thanks Saruman. I fully agree.
Looking at the cost breakdown (and grateful for you providing it), I notice that there’s a reseller margin of 22.97 €. Which makes me wonder, will we able to get the FP 2 cheaper if we buy it directly compared to the prices resellers will offer?
I’m following the FP 2 with great interest but would like to hear more about the free software side (a version free of Google, proress on open software, alternative OSs) before I commit to buying one.
It doesn’t seem so. The cost breakdown includes the reseller margin in the same price as it is available in Fairphone’s own shop.
I can only assume that they ask for the same price anywhere to give resellers incentive to include Fairphones in their shops. If everyone could just go to fairphone.com and get it cheaper, resellers would have a hard time selling their offers. But resellers bring great value to Fairphone because they present the product to a much wider audience.
So it seems we have to pay the same price everywhere.
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