Weird i just updated my FairPhone 5 to Android 14 and the pokemon sleep device would not even connect to the device for days. Could this be a bug not known until recently. I discovered force closing the app a few times can get the device to connect. I also found that the itech Wearables watch also has this issue. I wonder if its due to Bluetooth low energy devices in question. Is your device a low energy device. Im referring to your headphones by the way. Its a new feature introduced with Bluetooth 5.0 for audio devices. Im just wondering.
I recently had something similar, whereby my FP5 showed it was connected to a BT speaker that I’d just paired to, ceased playing audio on the phone, but the speaker played no sound. Checked volume levels, rebooted both devices and tried repairing, same behaviour. Worked from a friend’s phone. It was a mini JBL speaker but not sure of the exact model as it’s not mine.
It actually appears to be a feature of BT4, and an optional one. I wrote Revision - Stack Overflow about this today, if you’re interested in some of the particulars.
How did you ascertain that yours was establishing a BT5 connection? After all, merely consulting the technical specifications for the devices doesn’t mean that their networking stacks are actually performing as specified.
Yes Bluetooth 4 introduced low energy. But that wasn’t a feature for audio devices until Bluetooth 5. This is known as Bluetooth LE for bluetooth 5 that’s what i ment. And 2 i think wasn’t lying when i have to manually force the app to stop because it wasn’t connecting. Its an android feature for some time now. Here is a screenshot of how to force stop a misbehaving app in question.
And 3 Bluetooth low energy devices are app tied because they don’t show up in settings under bluetooth devices. Here is a screenshot that the pokemon go plus and itech wearables watch clearly not there.
And 4 the information was true as stated because i saw the info in a techquickie video.
This is also proof. The devices are paired to the FP5.
Thanks. Wasn’t aware.
Of course you’re not lying. A lie is a deliberate falsehood. There’s no need to consider that.
I’m aware of that feature, but it’s not generalisable to this issue, considering that I need not force stop anything to induce it on my end. Unfortunately, that appears to be the behaviour of a specific, known to be poorly programmed, application:
- Can you generalise the behaviour to a single other?
- Additionally, you appear to elaborate how the OS is acting as I’ve aforedescribed, considering you’ve focused upon a lack of ability to connect, rather than a lack of ability to play audio without connection?
Sorry i might have overreacted. Yes i think it may be an issue related to LE. Some people have rough days after all. I realize im not a programmer, but can understand when new features can cause problems when upgrading the device. I definitely remember a few bugs a while back with the PS Vita introduced Bluetooth. The game console only supported certain codecs causing huge lag spikes while using Bluetooth headphones with the device. It was so noticeable gaming with headphones that it was better to use aux headphones with the device instead. I think there may be an issue here with it reconnecting all the time. I have a car with the same problem. Where it reconnects my phone to the car when im clearly not using it. I may be in the house and my mother could be driving. I think LE could very well be the problem in this case. That’s why I was thinking that an app may very well be causing the constant reconnects that this user might be having. That’s why i was wondering if this was the case. This could be a simple fix by force stopping the app may solve this issue. The FairBuds XL has an app that changes the settings of the device. You may see my point now after explaining this better. It just depends if his headphones has an app or not. It could also be as simple as unpairing the device when not in use. It just doesn’t solve the problem that he might be having. My car is not always in use. So this isn’t a problem for me. It may be a little inconvenient when its in use though. I hope you see my point.
Sorry, @Digimon, I’m actually a little more confused, now:
You’ve mentioned at least 8 possible causes there, and 4 solutions. Why do you think that any of those could relate to this instance, and have you attempted and verified any of those solutions? They seem, currently, as if they’re mere speculation.
I still have connection issues. Force stopping my pokemon sleep and itech apps seems to fix the problem short term. It seems related to low energy could be a bug related to the apps as mentioned. Recently updated to Android 14 I noticed it way more connection issues as of lately. I get an error message in Pokemon go which happens a lot. But the device don’t respond to reconnecting requests after hitting retry. Force stopping the app usually fixes the issue. Usually get a vibration to confirm a successful connection. Itech just simply doesn’t connect without doing the same trick.
Now force stopping these apps and relaunching the application usually fixes this.
Hoping reproducing the errors i get on a daily basis sould clear up some confusion. The other problems were true in previous posts as well. Just might not be relevant to this discussion.
@Digimon, I don’t think that that’s the same issue. At the least, it’s better diagnosed separately, because the symptoms differ. Have you reported that to the application developers? If not, you should.
If you think it’s an issue with the FP5 regardless, I think you should make a new post and cite your comments here for context. A potential cause is a change in the BT stack version. Try selecting a different AVRCP version, as https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyFold/comments/u16c0h/comment/i4lfc90/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button explains.
I seperated the topics and created thia new one here
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The issue wasn’t with me. I still think its a bug with the LE layer for audio. That’s why i tried explaining to you that i was experiencing similar issues with other devices. But if you think otherwise. That’s ok. Never the less. I’ve already discussed this with Nintendo and Itech. They both said its something related to Bluetooth causing issues. Just like with the car and the Playstation Vita. These issues will most likely never get resolved to the technology being outdated (Or so they say). Bluetooth is backwards compatible with all versions of Bluetooth to date. Issues will most likely continue without them being updated or fixed. If someone could let the devs know who makes Bluetooth. This could be solved. Its most unlikely never going to happen. I still use these products every day as a gamer and so on. Well its worth trying to help others with similar problems. If I can inform others of updated standards. At least I can help there. I’m glad you now know that LE audio was 5.0. But did you also know that there where patches to even 5.0 that even addressed bugs with the New LE audio. I think it was 5.2 to 5.3 updates fixed a breaking bug with 5.0 its good if you can relay this video on updated 5.0 spec. I hope this may fix this issue. Hope this gives you more knowledge in the process.
4.2, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4 are discussed
Like i said I’m not a developer. But noticing bugs that likely don’t get patched is a big deal between updates between different versions. It all boils down to different versions of the same spec. Even if its backwards compatible. I was just trying to help with my experience with bluetooth over the years in the end. I guess years of experience doesn’t teach an old fool new tricks to fixing things. And for that Im sorry. I may have grew up in the 90’s with tech with years of experience using it. It ain’t as simple as swapping a stick of ram or updating the thing with drivers or updates. Tech is becoming less repairable by the day, thus making it less reliable. We should be able to fix things like in the old days instead of just throwing the thing away in the trash. That’s why i bought this phone in the first place. To save our planet from pollution. I guess that wasn’t ment to happen. Thanks tech companies. 
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Those kinds of assumptions are usually incorrect:
- There is a Bluetooth specification, of which many versions exist, some of which contain multiple modes of operation (like LE).
- This basic capability is then implemented in firmware on an SoC.
- A driver is written, and that driver is then potentially modified before being added to the stack of an itself-modified derivation of AOSP by Fairphone.
- Then, that application interacts with peripherals which have gone through that process via the OS-provided APIs for it, on both ends.
That’s a lot of places where there could be a problem.
I would be surprised if it fixed a “breaking” issue with the standard, since large revision numbers usually demonstrate breaking changes, rather than the smaller ones (which are reserved for the opposite). Though, I’ll take your word for it, since you appear adequately knowledgable about this section.
Thanks for the video, irrespective. Always good to see a citation.
You needn’t apologize, and it’s merely a matter of necessary complexity. If Fairphone had continued to produce their “Open” OS, this would be less problematic, because the entire codebase could be audited. However, they don’t provide their OS as a (F)OSS codebase, which means that everyone’s left with guessing rather blindly, and reporting via FP support, rather than a proper bug tracker. You’ve done more than is expected of you.
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I appreciate the Feedback thanks. I try to help others with experience. Even if they don’t care to listen. I least I’m not the only one who understands that. There needs to be more of us out there. It will make the world a better place after all. Even if it doesn’t resolve the issue. Sorry for all the snail mail if you get that reference. I love to type. Its not being taught in schools anymore in my area. They don’t even teach band or art anymore. Its sad that all that is also going the way of the dinosaurs. Their are more focused on sports and nothing more. I guess even that knowledge is going to be a dying breed, and its sad to see it go. Its a shame that the schools in America are on a budget crunch. I got some of that knowledge in a computer room all those years ago. Internet barely existed back when i was in school. Now its everywhere. I’m glad to have talked to you. You are very knowledgeable yourself. If I was a teacher. I’d give you an A+ for effort. Have a nice day.
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Likewise. Wonderful to speak to you.
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