Why? Do you have any evidence for that?
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Itâs obvious. You donât even need a math degree too see that.
I understand that people make the point of reducing phone usage etc. but Fairphoneâs aim should really be to make a device that is equivalent to other devices, if it is ever to have a wider market appeal.
I know people will argue about the sustainability values and I completely agree but if the device doesnât have wide reach then itâs sustainability still doesnât have a large impact. Having a larger capacity battery shouldnât have had a huge impact on the resources used.
If a lot of people do a little we achieve a little.
If a few people do a lot we still only achieve a little.
In the future, I would like to see a fairphone 5 battery with higher capacity (obviously at a higher cost). Please remember that this device is billed as being usable for 10 years and what is âpassableâ today will be poor is 2-3 years and dreadful in 5-10 years in my opinion.
Probably not on the resources, but rather on the dimensions of the device. And you know:
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With a math degree you would be familiar with how scientists are working, Itâs not just guessing without any evidence.
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Same. Make it 10.200 instead.
I tried to solve it by proposing a FPX series so FP could keep the lower performance general purpose phone, but people keep telling me it is unrealistic.
- I do own several FPs including a 5. One charge doesnât hold a day with a crisp new battery!
- I also do own a âdumbphoneâ which I charge once a WEEK and it is tough as a brick. I love it!
- There are phones with 20K+ batteries out there lasting for 5 days with average use.
= It is a widespread market sickness suggesting user expectation instead of listening to real needs, just like the whole non-removable battery business.
Small battery does hurt the planet:
- You either double the use of your charging port with no wireless charging
- Or half your battery connectors life with constant swapping
- Not mentioning the price, annoyance and weight of a powerbank.
- Battery is the hottest topic for a good reason
It is about power consumption, not about the fake âtechnical limitations of the batteryâ argument like in the car industry:
If you have a small battery in your electric chariot, you need an infrastructure of charging stations. If it is not available, people will go with the combustion engine.
If you keep increasing the size of your SUV, the oil tank needs to increase too.
Similar with phones. Do users prefer huge screens with small batteries?
Because it is. If there would be a possible significant market share, donât you think one of the big players wouldnât offer something like that?
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It is still inevident if I enter that market.
Maybe I switch for a good quality wildlife phone at the price of mother earth, which is self contradicting like a crocodile in a vegan restaurant, and keep FP as a fancy business device chained to the charger in my office which is like an antilope in the lions cageâŚ
Why should a Fairphone be chained to a charger?
BTW for wildlife photography,I would use a decent system camera with a wide open lens, not a smartphone.
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No more fish from me.
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Bad comparison. A dumb phone can indeed sleep for most of the time. If you let your smartphone do this itâll go for such a long time, too, if not even longer. I just recently installed /e/OS on my old FP2, charged it and then let this fresh install idle around. And guess what: That same phone that in normal smartphone operation barely made it through the day could go for 5 days.
It will with a crisp new setup. I might be repeating myself, but thereâs two sides to this âthe battery isnât big enoughâ story: One thing is the battery, but the other one is a mixture of inefficient apps, users not noticing it or not caring, probably FOMA connected with endless scrolling in some cases which all together leads to resources not being used as efficiently as they could be used. And this is not Fairphone specific. Of course if you need any functionality all the time (e.g. walking through the forest for 20 hours with GPS and screen on), a general purpose device may not be up to this, but then it doesnât make sense to optimize this device to this use case. Others might have other use cases, so what to do then?
You arenât talking about needs, you are talking about desires. All in all this discussion reminds me a bit of what Mahatma Ghandi said: âThe world has enough for everyoneâs need, but not enough for everyoneâs greed.â
Iâm sorry you left the discussion exactly where it was getting interesting.
I could accept this discussion easily if you guys said âthe battery isnât big enough for my use caseâ. And then letâs see what are the options. But by repeating that it isnât big enough for everyone which you think is common sense but which isnât, thereâs a picture in my head of a child that stamps on the ground and screams âmore, more, more!â which may be just as difficult to satisfy as the the ever-growing wishlist that we can read about in this forum and that âeveryoneâ wishes to have.
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When a majority of reviewers, who possess the knowledge and experience to evaluate such matters objectively, unanimously raise concerns about the battery life, it becomes rather difficult to ignore.
Iâm currently testing a FP5. I wouldnât say the battery is bad. Itâs actually quite good, I can get more than seven screen on hours in ten hours after a full charge, with a good coverage. Thatâs a big step backwards compared to the FP4, but i âexpectedâ worse.
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@melroy89 give us an update as well? Are you satisfied?
I believe those reviewers and I take it seriously, still I think that many (most?) people (I wouldnât exclude myself to a certain degree, I spend energy on posting hereâŚ) use their devices in an inefficient way. Therefore reviewers have to say that the FP5âs battery is too small.
So we may agree on that other devices with a comparable battery size may go longer which is an indicator that âsomethingâ in the FP5 is less efficient which bothers me of course because Iâm an efficiency fan. Still that doesnât mean that it is an issue per se for everyone.
But we are mainly talking about bigger batteries. Then you brought up the chipset as source of inefficiency and being asked to provide evidence thereâs nothing than hot air. Math will probably not be the best profession to estimate that. Iâd expect the hardware developers to have tested that out. As an end customer however I wouldnât dare saying itâs clear where the rather high energy consumption comes from. We might get an indication when another phone with that chipset (Shift?) will come out, but until then I ask you to either provide sources for your statements or mark them as opinion.
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Not worth my time man âŚ
Quite the other way around based on the evidence of quality of argument.
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ConstructiveâŚ
I would like your opinion about the battery test made by GSMarena since we see Pixel phones do worse than FP5 with a bigger battery.
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