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Will Sailfish OS be officially supported on the FP2?

I think this is not a problem. If someone is not able to flash an OS, they wouldn’t make use of all the commands either. So Android is perfectly sufficient for them…

I don’t agree with this point of view. I think there are some other serious advantages of using SF as operating system for FP2:

  1. Performance of SF feels better than Android-derivats. I think this dues to efficiency of Wayland

  2. I compared the battery drain of FP Open and SF in a few situations and in every situation it was higher in FP Open. This should be a serious issue because of the relative weak battery

  3. From an economic point of view supporting Google means supporting not fair hardware production. I think this is evident because of the quasi-monopoly of Android (active support by providing data for Google [see FM Radio] and passive support by not supporting an smaller and less powerful company like Jolla or Ubuntu Touch)

Although an officially supported SF would be desireable, i’m pretty satisfied with the ported SF and - long term support of ported SF assumed - the current situation is absolutely sufficient for me (yes, thanks Mal-)

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With the same argument only a fraction of the people is using FP Open OS, right? So, almost every Fairphone runs an operating systems that aims to spy on its user and has the capabilities to do so. This might sound harsh, but what else is Google’s business model? Also don’t forget the inability to update to the newest version already after a little more than two years (also see post of @pat_512).

In my opinion this does not comply with the goals of Fairphone: neither is this creating a positive social impact nor is this a long-lasting design (FP Goals). This is the main reason why we want alternatives!

I think people don’t really get Sailfish OS right. It is not a geeky tool to play around, which might be the impression, because this are the only people who can use it on the FP right now. It is an operating system that is based on completely different values: “we want people to have the freedom of choice, be it about code, content or personal privacy” (SFOS Goals).

I can understand that it is not an easy task to support this additional operating system and I don’t expect them to do so right now, but what I expect are some official statements about the above considerations. Are there any plans to support an alternative operating system in the future? What is the current status? The communication is actually my biggest disappointment. Again, “But together with our community, we’re building a movement to show the demand for fair products.” (FP Goals). Then please do so!

Are there any official statements like this? If not, where there any attempts yet to get an official statement?

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In June they announced their SailfishOS porting intention in a Twitter poll, a. o. :

and:

But I dindn’t had any more recent statements…

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An advanced search on twitter gave me this disapointing result :frowning:

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With the same argument only a fraction of the people is using FP Open OS, right? So, almost every Fairphone runs an operating systems that aims to spy on its user and has the capabilities to do so. This might sound harsh, but what else is Google’s business model?

Correct! That’s the trade off we discussed in a lengthy topic here:

The project is still also about fairer electronics production and to reach that goal Fairphone tries to offer a phone to the broad mass that is accustomed to Android + Google Anti Services.

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Sorry Stefan,
Android neither is a perfect solution - nor iOS is it.
I think SailfishOS is mostly community driven. There are some closed source parts, but the main part is open source (kernel, …). So it is possible to take influence what comes into the next version (e.g. support of kernel modules, commands, …). I did not say every wish come true, but the community enhance the open source part, jolly could easily put it into the next version (e.g. arm64 Bit is community driven).
Building an UI on to of the existing kernel and command line base is not to sophisticated and at the jolly store and warehouse there are many solutions.
So using cifs or nfs mount or rsync with an UI is possible (and in case of cifs and nfs already existing).
This enhancements are not possible with other OSes like Android or iOS (also not at the opensource Android from Fairphone).

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What do these features matter to your friends you talked about above?

The question is, what have priority in using a phone.
The Fairphone Hardware is the best we can get at the moment if human working conditions and fairness is the point of view.
In my opinion SailfishOS is the best mobile OS at the moment if security, enhancement and a statement against the acquisitiveness of the big mobile OS player is the point of view.

This is a very difficult decision. But living in a country where SS and SED controlling people in the past, the second point scale more - regardless who is collecting private information government or companies.

If you want to use Android apps in full scope you are always depending on Google. They decide the way Android goes - and if you take a look at myaccount.google.com with a google enabled phone you have a small insight the way they go.
And if you now say ‘Why not use the google free version?’ Most apps (e.g. timetable from Deutsche Bahn and local area Trains, …) are only available with a google account, and it is not easy to get this apps on a google free Android by ‘normal’ phone users.
So it is very difficult to explain non technical people why to use a google free version (i tried it many times with less success).
So my decision is never give a recommendation to use an Android phone (the same count for iOS of course).

I use Linux from very early days (my first installed version was 0.11 Linus put on a FTP server at Finland) and my home and work place have linux since debian 3.0 (before i use OS/2 :wink: - not Windows).
So i have a little gain insight this OS :wink: and big respect to the communities (and also Jolly) and there decisions to leave my private data on my devices.
And if you ask ‘Did you checked this statement?’ Yes i’ve always take a look on my network traffic :-).

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And if you now say ‘Why not use the google free version?’ Most apps (e.g. timetable from Deutsche Bahn and local area Trains, …) are only available with a google account, and it is not easy to get this apps on a google free Android by ‘normal’ phone users.

Well, then SailfishOS will not be of much help as there is no official DB app for Sailfish either. While it would love official SailfishOS, a Google-free Open OS is not worse in that regard at least.

Though there is no official DB app on Sailfish, there’s the Fahrplan app which can support DB’s server as timetable backend.

(Though, unlike the various official railway apps, Farhplan offers only timetables - hence the name - and no in-app ticket purchase)

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I know there are alternative apps for getting the timetable. But that is not the point. There are alternative apps for Android too, such as Transportr.

The GP complained that he could not recommend google-free Android as you don’t get the official DB app then. You don’t get it on Sailfish either as there is none.

If you have a google-free phone you can get apps from the play store via the yalp store app (available in f-droid).
But you need google account.

you are right. The jolla store and warehouse are much smaller then the thousands of non official Android stores. But this doesn’t matter. This is also not the main decision for me to avoid Android (as you can read above).

But with a google free version you have the same problem with apps as you have, if you live without windows but you want to play windows games. It works (most time with wine), but there is a lot of information you have to get from the internet to get a game to run.

I’m not willing to declare non technical people how they get things running if it did not goes out of the box.

And it is so easy. Go to google and search ‘android app stores’, install the store app and - what now?
Searching for an app you need and install it? I did not think anyone should do it this way.
You need a lot of knowledge to see what app is ‘good’ and what app send your phone and email contacts to someone … and the risk to get fake apps is much higher on Android as on SailfishOS (and also much higher as on iOS).

But as i wrote above this is not the main reason for me to avoid Android.

if DB = Deutsche Bahn, than there is a wonderull Sailfish Ap called Fahrplan. For Deutsche Bank you need to use Android App or mobile Web page.

Is it?
I really liked what I saw when testing SF, but unfortunately I couldn’t figure out how to encrypt my data on SF, which is why I moved back to FPOS before I went on a couple of business trips. Since I use my phone also for work purposes, data encryption is a must have for me.
I was really missing an easy way on how to encrypt my data. I think Android makes this quite easy and straight forward. Hope SF will implement such a feature as well.

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I was reading the Jolla Blog post about Critical Communications World 2017 just now, and I noticed a Jolla employee Juhani Lassila stating in a comment on May 22, 2017 at 9:50 am that “…official Fairphone support is currently on their desk (pls push this in their channels!)” So we, the community, have to remain active and keep wanting an official SailfishOS port from Fairphone, and it just might happen! If the community port is already as awesome as it is, how solid the official port would be? I want to know! :persevere: :slight_smile:

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Hello,
i wrote to the fairphone support about this statemaent. Here the answer:

Hi Gabriel,

I wasn’t informed yet about this statement.

For the moment we still don’t provide this kind of support, as we have already some other big priorities, but I will forward the communication internally, maybe it will move something :slight_smile:

Greetings from Amsterdam,

Fairphone Customer Support,

feel free to write in English, Italian or Spanish

So lets hope something is moving :wink:

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They have now released Sailfish support for Sony Xperia X, where you pay a small fee to get a fully supported version of Sailfish OS on the Xperia. The same style of support would be perfect for the Fairphone, we pay a small fee and get a fully supported official version of Jolla Sailfish OS on the Fairphone! Since there already exists a community created Sailfish version for the Fairphone, it seems to me that it should be possible to get the Fairphone supported even easier than the Sony Xperia X (the Xperia X is a 64-bit platform, and Sailfish had to be adapted to 64-bits for it to work).

Would it be possible for Fairphone to at least send Jolla an email, letting them know that there is a lot of interest for Sailfish here on the Fairphone forums?

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I do believe the sailors at Jolla already know that Fairphone 2 is (most likely) one of the most wanted devices. After all, it already has near-perfect hardware support!

I couldn’t wait any longer, and bought a Sony Xperia X. I can tell it is very solid in terms of finished functionality, but some major hiccups remain, for example Bluetooth (audio) issues and the fingerprint sensor not yet being active.

Oh how I wish I could revive my old FP2 for SailfishOS 3…

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