Will fairness be accessible for me?

Wow, that is really great.

We have this:

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I hate to be the grumbling grumbler, but one could also call that area the “ebay announcement” thread.

It would be nice to see some more “fair” offers there. I’m not trying to put pressure on the people doing this (that’s totally fine) but if you just sell your phone on ebay to get the next new one, that does not make a lot of sense to me.

In that case it would be better to buy a used phone (It’s resources have already been wasted and it looks like you need the money.). Else the new “fair” phone is just a show-off tool and you fell for the marketing. But if you can easily afford two “fair” phones … give one away for free.

No, I’m not trying to stop people from buying the FP2. And I’m sure they will reach the level and it will be build (it will be build anyway). But just buying the next new item because it’s new was something the fair phone project tried to avoid, a least in the beginning.

If would be nice to give money to the FP project without having to buy a phone. Maybe just sell the phone here and give the FP project a cut? Or give them back some of the difference to the FP2 if you buy an older used phone?

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Hey guess what, I agree with you :smile:

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Yeah, i think it would be better if that area was more of a community thing and not just links to ebay auctions. This is why i personally contacted people interested to buy. On the other hand, ebay provides a lot of security for both seller and buyer, so in kind of understand…

Anyway, i think it is way better to sell ysour old phone directly instead of putting it in a drawer until it is worth nothing but for recycling. This way, that precious piece of electronics is returning to the market. And i gues most people looking for a second hand Fairphone would buy a smartphone anyways. And if they cannot find a used Fairphone, they possibly go for a new cheap model. Nobody is helped with that either :smile:. It is simply possible that the Fairphone does not fullfil everybodys needs or people simple can’t seem to get around Android. Why should they not offer their phones to interested people?

I for example start to work an a company developing an innovative product relying on Bluetooth 4.0 beacons connecting to smartphones. It’s a small start-up and I want do be able to test and use that product myself. I will need another Smartphone for that and i think about switching to the FP2.

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Good luck with your new job! I hope you will learn a lot of new useful things. I hope to see the blob list soon. If it is short it will be a great developer phone. Ask your company to also get a Nexus :smile:, most things can be emulated.

Honestly the FP1 is not very good hardware, selling it on ebay for lifestye is a bit of a rip-off. It’s currently stuck with 4.2-4.4 and has some hardware and more software issues. If the owner keeps it to see what the FP project will come up with, good. Giving it away, telling the people they are stuck with 4.x right now, also fine … “collecting it” … not so useful, I agree.

I’m just concerned that people sell their old phone and buy a cheaper new non-FP one, because current one is pretty expensive. This will not help the project or its goals. The FP2 is not for the masses … it just one or two steps behind the latest and greatest (810-820). But one could easily buy a brand new SD80x based phone for 200EURs.

I would prefer that those people would buy a used phone and be also able to still contribute to the FP project (by some money or by testing the software – SD8xx based phones are pretty much the same, except for the blobs).

Thank you! :slight_smile: I already did :thumbsup:. We have a Nexus, already. That’s fine for development, by I want to use the product myself.

A good SD801 based phone like the Z3 is around 400€ or 380 for the S5, not 200€. They probably have a better camera and NFC though, so you have a point. But i think you exaggerated a bit. :wink:

The Snapdragon 820 is annouced, but not yet sold in devices as far as i know. And the Snapdragon 810 has a not so good standing in tests and blogs due to heat issues. The 801 is still a very good, capable, SoC.

It is getting a bit of topic. But you are right, if the FP1 is sold and a Samsung bought instead, the project is not helped. I still think buying a used FP1 is a good way to support the FP1 project since you support early adopters. If you bought a FP1 and now find out it does not fulfil your needs, you would be desperate if it also lost is value as fast as some other Android devices. Therefor I am happy this is not the case with the FP1. People who sold their FP1 might still adhere to the goals of the project and come back later.

If the FP2 is for the masses or not is another topic. I think it is for everybody who agrees with Fairphones goals. If this is really true is something we will see if the FP2 has been in the use for some months. I have high hopes.

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Same here. I won’t say any brands here, because they buy from a pretty bad supply chain. I could never find out if the FP project also buys from those suppliers because I never saw a list of electronic items used on the FP2. sad smiley

I’m sure that people that had a FP1 will not look at cheap china phones first, but they will end up rebranded here as well.

I would like to think of the FP2 as the “Nexus” of phones that helps “fixing” second hand phones from “braver” (=improved, certified supply chain) companies with newer software. Users could give something to the project by giving something back for the rom that will make their phone last longer (similar to what was CM in the beginning). This would help the 2nd hand market a lot.

But I fear this will never come true. Marketing and business does not work like this. And even if the FP project would hire programmers for this, they will never get the blobs/info needed. But maybe it could work. I don’t know.

I agree with the FP goals. But right now it is not for me, they still have not published where they get their electronics from, the blob list or the FP1 code. I will just wait a little while longer. I know they don’t do this to mislead us, they are just waaaaay to busy. I don’t need to be the first one buying a FP2. If it works, it will be around for a long time, I hope. :wink:

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The topic is closed now, too bad I thought it was an interesting discussion that fitted @FrViPofm initial underlying rhetorical question “is it possible to be fair, sustainable, free and poor ?” Maybe we can one day (when the FP2 is released and everybody is not so tense anymore) open a new topic and discuss it again with the Fairphone project people?

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This is really getting off-topic (and besides it is not getting anywhere :slight_smile: ).

The case was solved with @FrViPofm’s last post.

Epilogue :

Here is a picture of my/your/our fairphone starting its life in Besançon.

Laudato si’

Thanks to all of you.

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Beautiful story, @FrViPofm. Thanks for sharing!

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