Signal group for Fairphone users and hackers

Join this group to ask about, repair, improve your current/future/old Fairphone.

You can join if you’re interested to chat about the phone and its features and its great capabilities and also its problems and so on.

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Why do you call the group Fairphone hackers instead of Fairphone users.?

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I guess hackers is a word that can be misinterpreted. I guess you want exchange to develop hacks/workarounds?

I’m wondering who are you, whats the intention, why in Signal not here? So overall a lot more details…

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Not sure if it fits the same target audience, but there’s also a Matrix group dedicated to Fairphone: #wearefairphone:matrix.org

Back in the day, that for example was the best way to reach the maintainer of the FP2 lineage port. It was (maybe still is) a bit more dev-centric than this forum.

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Hack

To hack is to play around with hardware. Hackers are mostly experts in some hardware (sometimes also software). Yeah, could be users. Should I rename it? Maybe. Ok. Fairphone users sounds like people that can’t help, they just use/consume it. Hackers know how it works, how you could tweak things to improve/workaround problems.

And why Signal?

Because Signal is a great private and commonly used messenger and a chat, faster then the forums.


Renamed.

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Thanks for renaming.
For me, the word hackers primarily means people who abuse others by, for example, taking down a website and demanding ransom. That’s why I wasn’t happy with the name.

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Oh, and who I am: I am a new Fairphone user, finally, because the Fairphone 6 is finally a phone that is good enough to work for me.

And I am a very long time Signal user.

Well, in the old times ™ hackers meant people who tinker with hardware, software and probably interactions of systems. Crackers was used for those black hat hackers (also used a lot). Though media confuses it regularly, often for the sake of scandalization (imho)

(See phracker for telephone hacker)

Off topic, though :smirking_face:

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those are “black hat hackers”. or, simply, “cybercriminals”.

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Several people have already joined and we have shared experience reports and started interesting discussions. I hope more users will follow.

Discourse (this forum software we use here) recently released great blogposts about why chat is great to initially get things in play and start something small. But chat doesn’t scale to something beyond that. Especially not on Signal which lacks proper channel/thread support.

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Yeah, a chat is not enough. But nice to get a fast response to small problems or connect to other Fairphone users/lovers.

By the way, talking to each other in real life is also ephemeral. Should we not talk to each other anymore? Sometimes direct talk just feels good. :smiley:

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That understanding of the word “hacker” is incorrect, though.

The original use of the word in the OP is correct.

Yes, I agree that the original use of the word hacker is correct.
I talk about the mainstream of people who hear the word hacker in the media. They don’t know that the word hacker is misused.

I don’t like discussing technical issues in a chat at all. I speak from experience: as co-moderator of a forum on electric mobility, I compete with chats on Facebook and other platforms that use display algorithms that render sorting and display useless, effectively hiding important information. With Signal groups, the situation is exacerbated by the fact that newcomers cannot access previous posts. It is also not possible to structure the chat by topic.
A chat is a place for chatting and not a serious source of information. Hough :smile:

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A chat as a knowledge base is also terrible SEO. And cannot be indexed for AI training either. It will not really benefit Fairphone or the community.

Nobody needs to use the chat, but it’s a nice way to stay in contact with other Fairphone users for small daily problems or success stories. Especially if you are the only Fairphone user in your location if you live in the end of the world, for example. :grin:

And of course, Signal chats inhibit any search engine optimization (SEO). :rofl: I mean what are you even talking about? You want to optimize for a search engine, a private, end to end encrypted chat?

For bigger or new problems that are not in a list of FAQ, this forum would be used, but for common things a chat is great. There’s a link to this forum in the group description (of the Signal group). So don’t panic, everything’s fine. :grinning_face: Go check and try it yourself.

Signal is indeed creating a deep web pocket, that does not benefit the community as it’s indeed built as a private messenger. But chat in general is a bad idea as also highlighted in the 2 blog posts from Discourse.

If really needed, chat can be enabled on this forum as well. Discourse has support for it. But it’s left disabled.

I guess everyone can choose how they want to stay connected, there is no right or wrong way

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Of course! Maybe I push my point a bit too much. As long as it’s clear that it may come at a cost and negates the benefits. But yes, nothing is forbidden.