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#366

I think it’s not a hidden Google Service, because OsmAnd stores the voice prompts in its own data directory. However it might be a Google library that is part of the OsmAnd build. Google has created a whole bunch of libraries that developers can use in their applications - and not all of them “phone home” to Google for data mining reasons. You can download, update or delete voice prompts via the “Manage Map Files” menu where you find a section "Voice prompts (TTS-synthesized, prefer).


#367

and not all of them “phone home” to Google for data mining reasons

Well, I can’t believe that. I’ve keeping a close eye on Google’s technologies for a long period of time (read: years before moving out of their services) and even their open source ones call home on one way or another (note: even a single connection to one of their servers IS a home call).

I’m just being cautious; maybe you’re right. I’ll investigate further this matter (I’ve never been a fan of talking/beeing talk by a machine…)


#368

Well if OSMand had any Google Library included that called home, all of F-Droids alarm bells would ring and - if at all - the app would only be available plastered with anti-feature-alerts. The only anti-feature OSMand has is that it contains non-free elements (artwork and layouts).


#369

I guess the FDroid version is not the Google Play version (why is the FDroid version called with a virgulilla at the end, if there are no differences?). You can trust the FDroid version, of course (could we call it then OsmAnd~ to distinguish them?)

Android apps have a system of flavours to build different products from the same codebase. It is common to have a normal flavour (with proprietary dependencies) and a fdroid/libre flavour (without any non-free).
An example is Twidere (build.gradle), whose GPlay version uses Google Services but whose FDroid version is fully libre.

I have no time right now to investigate the OsmAnd build.gradle, but it does have flavours, including one called free (as in freedom or as in free beer?):


#370

I have a kind of important addition to my previous post here. Soon after setting up my Google Free FP2 as described above, I started experiencing battery drains (the bad ones: 50% in 3 hours), overheating of the CPU unit and random reboots.

After quite an extensive search, involving plenty CPU monitor and wakelock detector apps, I finally figured out my problems were all due to aCalDav. Since I deleted the app, I’ve been able to use my battery for >30h again, instead of just 6. Quite the improvement. :wink:

Right now, I’m using the CalendarSync app:
http://ntbab.dyndns.org/apache2-default/seite/index.html

It’s paid, but the developer provides a link to the .apk file for a 2-week free trial and if you pay €6 via bank transfer or PayPal (thus avoiding Google Play and the likes), you get a license code. Pretty awesome.


#371

DAVdroid does the job for me free and battery friendly.

There are two German email providers I know of that only charge a sixth of what you pay per month and have a clearly better reputation than United Internet (GMX, Web.de).


#372

I fully agree. DAVdroid works excellent on my system.


#373

Do you mean Posteo and mailbox.org?


#374

stupid question: how did you log in to your google account (I do need STAVA too !!) ??

I have just install FPopenOS, so i m really google free right now !


#375

Indeed, but I didn’t mean to do unnecessary advertising. :wink:


#376

I usually get the “no unneccessary advertising”-thing, but in a topic where people help each other out configuring their Google-free life, I think actually mentioning the providers might be helpful. :wink:

I’m pretty sure DAVdroid would work just as well for me.

However, after getting rid of aCalDav, I ran into someone appraising CalendarSync first, and when using the trial I was so happy I didn’t look any further. Figured the developer had earned a 6 euro one-time payment. :wink:

Your remark on GMX’s reputation made me wonder though. What about it? Not being a German it’s easy to miss these things. Anyways, what you said made me realize the app I’m using isn’t made by GMX at all. I had never heard of it and figured the developers mail address ending at @GMX.de would mean that it’d be the company she works at. Turns out it’s just a free e-mail provider. Makes sense.


#377

T’was a long time ago and I do not have the FP2 any more. I think it’s Settings - Accounts - Google. Log in with your Google username and pwd and before you do anything else, untick all the boxes otherwise it will start syncing everything automatically. Hope that helps. F.


#378

GMX and Web.de chose the marketing brand “E-Mail made in Germany”, which in particular means nothing while pretending to be extraordinarily secure. I refuse to call this behaviour customer oriented. Not to mention De-Mail, the German approach to secure (not) and trusted (not) legal electronic mail.

Most email providers, just as United Internet, in truth are advertising companies which don’t give a damn about their users’ security, rather profit from tracking and snooping them, collecting their personal data etc. Cynically you could say you get what you pay for.

Therefore I chose to actually pay my email provider of choice for being just a trustworthy email provider.

On the other hand I don’t understand why I should need a separate app just for dealing with just one provider while making use of an open standard (email). There are far better generic apps out there (K-9 Mail, for example).


#379

Hi
I can install Etar and the Offline Calendar on my FP2 OpenOS. But when I want to create an event by tapping on a day or hour, a page opens saying “charging” and nothing else happens. Any idea what that means ?
Thanks à lot


#380

@StephanK, thanks for the explanation about web.de and GMX.

That’s why I use K9 with a paid and very trustworthy e-mail provider as well. :wink: (Dutch provider XS4ALL was derived from a hacker collective almost 25 years ago. If anyone cares about privacy and security, it’s them.)

Murks, what does the screen look like? Is it an Etar-screen, or the FP charging screen?


#381

Hi
I think it’s an ETAR screen, the menu is still available. I don’t even know what is being charged. After all, I didn’t wait for hours … :frowning: Does it mean the application is trying to establish a network connection ? I thought its meant to be “standalone” ?


#382

I am curious, if it’s not overreaching on my part, what components do you use microG for ? I have explored it for Ingress (got me banned lol) but apart from this, LocationProviders and apps which require GMF (which I usually just doesn’t install) I wouldn’t use it. Most of the apps I see on GPlay are on Aptoide, too.


#383

Location (Mozilla backend), Maps API v2 (OpenStreetMap) and Push Notifications (yes, I know, metadata…)
I also use BlankStore for update my (ugh) non-free apps. Most of them are transport apps (Transportr doesn’t have support for Madrid metro nor train) and communication tools (hate their GCM dependency, ¬¬). Everything else is free on my phone (I prefer mobile websites to proprietary apps).

Aptoide apps could depend of GMS too. It just depends on the developer.


#384

Aptoide apps could depend of GMS too. It just depends on the developer.

Most GMF dependent apps I use from Aptoide (like slack) whine about the lack of GMF but work anyway :slight_smile:


#385

Yes, I know. The “GMS are needed” popup is very annoying for me (specially for Slack) and I prefer knowing when someone mentions me (or @here or @all) on Slack too, :slight_smile:
Anyway, I needed the Maps API v2, so… But I would be nice to have an option to filter which apps can request a token for GCM (I don’t know why my bus app requires this, honestly)

PD: Should any moderator move this conversation to other microG-related thread? I feel it doesn’t belong to this thread anymore.
Edit: Thank you, @Stefan