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Living without Google 2.0 - A Google free FP2

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#322

Sure, just download the Xposed installed and a module and see if it works.

I sometimes get that message when I have a bad connection and some background app wants to download something automatically. It’s probably not from Xposed.


#323

I installed the installer and it says that the framework is active! Thank you :~)


#324

I just want to thank the people here that have given so many instructions on how to live without google.

Up until yesterday, I was running FP Open OS 16.06.0 with OpenGAPPS, but I was having some troubles, mostly with GPS (it went crazy and didn’t turn off after using it for a few minutes, resulting in a complete battery drain in about half an hour).

I figured it was easiest to just reinstall the complete thing and decided to go Google free this time. It don’t particularly dislike Google neither do I care about privacy all to much, but I just like it better if I know exactly what apps are running on my own smartphone.

Despite being quite the Android-noob, with the instructions on these forums (special thanks to @paulakreuzer and @Roboe) I managed to reinstall FP Open OS 16.06.0 and microG. It works like a charm!

For anyone interested, I’ve used:

  • moosd’s Needle script to allow spoofed app signatures

  • F-droid

  • microG Services Core

  • microG Services Framework Proxy

  • microG UnifiedNlp (no GAPPS) - included in FP Open OS

  • GSMLocationNlpBackend

  • LocalGsmNlpBackend

    downloaded areas from lacells, database update crashed when I tried to use mozilla/OpenCellID

  • FasterGPS (Belgian server, INTERMEDIATE_POS 1)

  • OsmAnd~

    GPS only is quite fast and correct
    Wifi/mobile location is about 250m off

  • BlankStore

  • Lightning - browser

  • Disa - for text/whatsapp/facebook messages, push notifications are fine

  • K9 mail

  • Erat & aCalDav

    syncing with my Blaucloud Owncloud calendar - CalDav sync error all the time
    now using this setup to sync with Google Calendar - ironically
    does anyone know a good - free or cheap - alternative for Google Calendar?

  • a whole bunch of other apps (public transport, Mapswipe, VPN etc) installed via BlankStore

My Fairphone has never run so smoothly before. Yay!


#325

GPS as the service that receives sat-signals can not drain the battery. I think you used something like Maps. Is that true?


#326

I use DAVdroid, Tasks and Etar to synchronize my calendar, contacts and tasks with Posteo.de (they offer an email address, three calendars, and contacts for 1 € per month). Alternatively most email providers grant one calendar per account for free (e. g. gmx.de or web.de). I bet there are Belgian email providers which offer the same.


#327

[quote=“Spielmops, post:325, topic:11587”]
GPS as the service that receives sat-signals can not drain the battery. I think you used something like Maps. Is that true?
[/quote]By ‘using’ I indeed meant ‘using any app that uses GPS’.

As it didn’t work at first with FP Open OS, I tried so much to get it working - changing gps.conf manually and with fasterGPS, installing microG stuff to at least get location services to work, downloading all kinds of maps-apps - that I think in the end just something in the android-gps-locationservices communication went crazy. I configured it to use ‘GPS only’, but it kept switching back to using wifi/gsm location services as well, and each time I used any app that tried to find my location (OsmAnd~ or SatStat while on GPS only, Google Play with location services), my battery drained in about half an hour. I figured re-installing the whole thing was probably easier than finding the source of the problem. :wink:

My Dutch provider doesn’t - and its free web space doesn’t even support PHP to run Owncloud or something like that. I’m very attached to it though, so I won’t switch providers.

But I’ll check out the alternatives you mentioned, thanks! (Seems to be quite a German thing to provide calendars with e-mail, if I google it I get a whole bunch of German websites - although of course that might have to do with the word ‘Kalender’ with a K being the same in Dutch and German. ;))


#328

So I guessed. I beg to differ, because if users read “GPS draining battery” they try to avoid using GPS. Thats not neccessary. The important information is: “every navigation app uses GPS (or network for location) and drains the battery”.


#329

As discussed in the forum: There is a new OsmAnd release with useful features you want in such an app in the first place.

A quick search was probably one of the most requested features we’ve received. A first version of it is included in this release. Now, you can enter almost any type of query, be it a type of POI, an address or even a link to the map and find it using the Search button on the map screen.”


#331

Hi!

Thanks a lot for your replies to Installing Apps on Open OS !

Some more questions:

  • Will raccoon work on a Mac?
  • Are APK-downloader, APKmirror and raccoon three alternatives that do more or less the same thing? (From a dummy-user point of view - I won’t understand anything too technical… I chose to investigate raccoon further because I like the name best…)
  • Am I blind? Or is there no way to get a list of apps available through raccoon on their website? Or is it simply that you can get any app available from Google Play?

Thanks again!
Linda

PS Still looking for an active fairphone user community in Switzerland - I’m based in Bern and fluent in French, German and English. Anyone around?


#332

Check it by yourself on the fairphoners map @Stefan and myself did, and add yourself to the fairphoners address book, :wink:
(Please, continue this conversation on another forum topic for avoiding the offtopic)


#333

OK, thanks!..


#334

They provide a .jar which should be executed on a Mac with Java installed.

The purpose is the same; the method, different:

  • Raccoon lets you get paid and free APKs directly from Google Play to your computer (thus it have virtually all the apps available on Google Play)
  • APKdownloader gets free APKs from Google Play for you, and lets you download them from your browser
  • APKmirror redistributes free APKs uploaded by users, usually extracted from Google Play, and lets you download them from your browser

There’s more Raccoon info here and probably another fairphoner could help you set it up (I’m still using BlankStore, which is now discontinued and a pain to set up)


#335

Thank you!
Do you know whether one of the three is easier to use?
Otherwise, guess I’ll try raccoon - if I ever get my phone running again. I seem to have messed it up completely (I started a new post a moment ago…)


#336

Because I don’t trust these third party sites I am using a more hackish approach for getting the APKs:

  • Install Android in a virtual machine. I am using Virtualbox and Android-x86. The Android 4.4 (Kitkat) versions work best for me. You will need “bridged” networking.
  • Configure this Android normally (with your Google Account) and install the apps you want.
  • Install ADB on the host machine - this is your Desktop / Laptop running Virtualbox.
  • Run the ADB debugger on the Android VM in a terminal, for example: adb tcpip 8080
    Now on the host machine (your Desktop / Laptop that runs Virtualbox):
  • Connect to the Android VM from your host: adb connect [IP of Android VM]:8080
  • List the installed packages and identify the name of the required package: adb shell pm list packages
  • Identify the full path of the package: adb shell pm path PACKAGENAME
    PACKAGENAME is the package name identified in the last step.
  • Download the APK: adb pull PACKAGEPATH DESTINATION
    PACKAGEPATH full package path
    DESTINATION local path to save APK

At the end you can do an “adb disconnect” and / or simply shut down your virtual android.
The saved APKs can now be transferred to the phone and installed via Amaze or other file manager.

ATTENTION: Please do NOT use to violate copyright (pirate copies).


#337

Raccoon is a client of Google Play, AFAIK, so it is not a third party service and it is trustable (see the source code and compile by yourself, if any doubt).

Anyway, your method is another valid one. Have you tried to share APKs with F-Droid instead of the command line and pm? With a bridged network it should work, shouldn’t it?


#338

Thanks for your info about “Raccoon” - I completely missed that one! I will see what is possible with F-Droid.


#339

I just tested with F-Droid both on the VM and on my FP2 in a bridged setup - and it works ! :joy: The only little problem was that the phone could not see the VM, but that could be easily fixed with the “Scan QR code” option in F-Droids “swap apps” setup.


#340

I think about installing FP Open.
And… currently I think I need (for my work) the Skype App, the MS-Outlook App and for fun the Napster App.
Has anybody succeded in using those with FP Open?

Thanks for any reply,

mentos


#341

If you get them from the google store, you could install FP Open OS followed by an installation of GAPPS Pico.
In this way you install a bare minimum of Google and are able to use the play store of Google.


#342

I have not checked the other apps you mention, but you get Skype from the Amazon store. You can install the Amazon store just like a normal app and then it lets you install all the other apps.
Beware: Do not use the “amazon underground” store as this is a bloated and in my opinion very questionable (from the security and privacy) point of view app. Use the standard store instead (although it’s advetised for tablets, it works well on phones).
I am running OpenOS and Skype works - just ignore the “Google Play not installed” warning.