Live AMA with Michiel Stoop 11th Aug, 17:00 to 19:00 CEST (UTC+02:00)

Hey Michiel,

is there already a planned release date for the August Update of the FP2?
Will it contain all the security updates for the Quad Rooter vulnerability that has been recently discovered?

Thanks and best regards
RiffRaff

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Hi Rifraff! What I heard around here is that the (now) planned release date is the 24th of August. I’m not sure from the top of my head if we included the patches for that vulnerability in it, but if it was released in the monthly security patch from Google, you can be pretty sure it will be in ours as well. Otherwise, it will be in next months update.

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Thanks for your answer!

I guess you can guess my follow up question: Does support also keep statistics?

I feel that there is an “information tracking” gap between all the tickets that come in … and the ones that end up in the repair center (I thought you did this in house, by the way …).

So do you also try to tag and analyse these? It would help to find out the problems that need official articles, software updates or other help fast. Sharing those stats with the community could also help, because there is no public bug tracker right now.

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Ok, the percentage with the users of the forum is probably different. :wink:

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Haha, this is without a doubt true :smiley:

Waterdamage or cracked displays are not for in-warranty. So then what are the reasons for in-warranty returns ?

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Continuing the twrp topic, so you know whether it’s planned to upgrade to a newer version of twrp? Something in the 3.x range? Because people with encrypted devices would need a recent version (if description is supported at all, send quite difficult in recovery)
Edit:send -> seems

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Yes, of course we keep statistics as well. Otherwise we would be completely lost! Our main (communication) system is Zendesk, which is connected to our order system, financial system, shipping, etc. Zendesk has an datacenter called Insight, which is vital to our functioning.

Regarding the information tracking gap - it would be great if we can in the future separate the repair tickets from the ‘other’ tickets. The nature of a repair ticket is very different from any other ticket (mainly the resolution time is different) which skews the data which we use. That is why it would be great to make that separation, unfortunately our current set up does not allow it. Maybe in the near future, this is a project to come! Regarding the data which we have in our system, we are continuously working to get a better oversight of what our tickets consist of. We can this way indeed make much better assessments of the kind of support material, macro’s ( = templates) and tutorials we need, and therefore reduce the amount of tickets created in the first place.

We don’t do our repairs in house, but we have a very trusty repair center with whom we have a very good relationship. Their main business is repairing Fairphones, and the knowledge and experience they’ve built up over the last years is staggering.

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Sadly I do not know this and it reminds me that in our next AMA we could ask someone from the Fairphone Open OS dev team to sit behind the keyboard. I’ll ask them if they feel like doing this! :slight_smile:

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Hi @anon48893843,
regarding customer support for the software part, do you plan to provide something like Bugzilla or Mantis in order to have better tracking of bugs (and better to distinguish even between FP OS and FP open OS issues)? I see lots of duplicate topics on the forum because novice users don’t use the search button and ask always the same things :slight_smile:
Thank you very much! :slight_smile:

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If a phone goes to our repair center and we are not sure why it is malfunctioning, there is a possibility of in or out of warranty. So that is how you can find that there is a factory fault, and therefore an in-warranty return. Not every factory fault can be spotted from a distance by one of our agents. Some faults have to be ‘found’ by one of our technicians in the repair center. Or, you find out that the phone has been swimming in river, and the repair will need to be an out-of-warranty one…

Another reason for an in-warranty return would be what we call a cool-off: a customer may return his or her phone within 14 days after receiving it for a refund. But in this case we don’t send it to our repair center, but to the distribution center, where the phone can start a new life as a refurbished phone.

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Hi @anon48893843 and @Douwe: so now that the first AMA is almost over, what’s your take on it? Was it worthwhile, did you enjoy it, will you repeat it again?

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Hi Michiel, thanks for taking your time for this AMA and also thanks to your team for the great work they do!

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that the backlog that accumulated was quite frustrating for many users. It made me wonder, how could that have happened? Why do you think was it nor foreseeable that there would be so many additional support requests that Fairphone seemed to be surprised, or at least hasn’t been able to cover this amount of requests. Or what do you think has triggered this seemingly unforeseeable flood of requests?
For some users here it left the impression that FP2 is a bad product, since apparently the support team got overwhelmed by requests.

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Hey DjDas! I’m sure the mods on this forum will agree on the duplicate topics frustration :wink: Unfortunately this is something I don’t know. I see quite some questions on our software and the plans we have, so I will concur with @Douwe to see if we can get a member of that team in an AMA soon… Would be nice though!

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Great. So I just repeat my last question you accidentally omitted, because I think it would also help support:

Are you able to share these “support stats” with the community? It would help us helping, because there is no public bug tracker right now.

Thanks. I leave you alone for now!

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Hey! First of all, let me state that as customer support manager here at Fairphone I of course am responsible for the wellbeing of this part of the company, and that it has deeply pained me to see all the frustrated people who should have received better support. Why did it go wrong? I think that there is not one reason that this has happened, but multiple.

Although we were prepared for a spike in the amount of tickets that was going to happen at the launch of FP2, we were not prepared for the huge amount of tickets that came in from January (launch FP2) onwards. Not because FP2 is a bad product, but the modularity, the reverse logistics coming with the modularity and the complexity of our systems and processes overall made it difficult to keep up. And I kid you not, the flu wave which hit our team and left us bleeded out for a long time really hurt us as well! You can read more about it in the blog I published last week. (although I’m pretty sure you read it)

What is most important is that after we have cleared this backlog - we are on our way now - we don’t let this happen again. And believe me, we have now taken measures which makes me confident that this won’t happen again. Already having nightmares for the Fairphone 3 launch… :wink:

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Let me take this one @anon48893843

Hey Emmy! Me and @anon48893843 enjoyed this a great deal and I think this is a nice thing to do again with other team members.

We are now going to eat our cold pizza and drink our warm beer as we missed that opportunity during the AMA :wink:

Thank you for being part of this first AMA and we hope that it brought you the answers you were hoping for. If you want to share with us what went well and what could be better, please go to the AMA topic here.

I now close this topic as the first AMA has come to an end!

Thank you all for joining us tonight and have a good evening (if it is evening where you are)

Douwe and @anon48893843

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