Live AMA with Michiel Stoop 11th Aug, 17:00 to 19:00 CEST (UTC+02:00)

I love, love, love the dual sim <3

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Hey Lara!

Glad to hear you like what we do. But, sorry to hear your display is acting up!

First of all, did you already update to our latest software version, 1.5.1? Also, did you try taking the display assembly on and off your phone? We see quite often that this actually solves the problem!

If you updated and taken the screen on and off and this didn’t bring any result, you should indeed get in touch with our support team, since it is then likely we are dealing with a hardware fault. We would then need to replace the display of your phone, but indeed better to go about this not from Israel…

Have a good time over there, greets from rainy Amsterdam!

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Hi,
i have a question regarding FP Open OS an TWRP. Is a support-article planned on how to backup using TWRP? will the existing back-up instructions be updated?
Regards from Germany
Friederike

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Thank you for the quick answer:)

I did the latest update, but didn’t dare to take the screen off yet. I will try!

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Hi! Thanks for having me :wink:

We indeed look at our repair statistics! Fairphone 1 is a completely different phone than Fairphone 2 (off the shelf design, not modulair, etc.) but of course there is still a lot to learn. Since having a repair center in the Netherlands is expensive (Dutch labour costs…) you want to make to make sure that when a phone is sent to our repair center, it really needs to go there.

When we just started out, end '13/early '14, we were a lot less skilled and experienced in this process. That is why with a group of people we decided we wanted to keep repair statistics in order to minimise costs as much as possible. Information we track is obviously what is broken (display, motherboard, battery), if the repair is in- or out of warranty, the full resolution time (how long does it take to get the phone from customer and back?). With this data we hope to have improved customer satisfaction.

We are in constant communication with our factory in China, of course they are very interested to know what goes wrong with the product. Earlier this year we have made a big improvement on our production line with such information, making sure production processes were performed in a way less prone to factory faults.

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Currently we are focusing our support on the hardware and the stock Fairphone Android as this is being used by 98% of our users.

In the next website we will start making room for more community generated content and we already started encouraging community members to help writing these kind of articles so we can include them in our official support.

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Hey, not sure if I really understand you! Are you referring to sent-in repairs that are out of warranty? In 90% of the cases we are dealing with either waterdamage or with broken displays. If the damage is in-warranty, so a factory fault, we try to avoid sending in by replacing the corresponding modules. However, sometimes we still have to research in-warranty cases at our repair center. We usually do this when we can’t figure out from a distance what the problem is. Sometimes you need to thoroughly test a phone to find out! For example, the communication between modules can be the problem, which can be harder to locate through calling or email.

If I didn’t answer your question, let me know!

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Hey Michiel,

is there already a planned release date for the August Update of the FP2?
Will it contain all the security updates for the Quad Rooter vulnerability that has been recently discovered?

Thanks and best regards
RiffRaff

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Hi Rifraff! What I heard around here is that the (now) planned release date is the 24th of August. I’m not sure from the top of my head if we included the patches for that vulnerability in it, but if it was released in the monthly security patch from Google, you can be pretty sure it will be in ours as well. Otherwise, it will be in next months update.

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Thanks for your answer!

I guess you can guess my follow up question: Does support also keep statistics?

I feel that there is an “information tracking” gap between all the tickets that come in … and the ones that end up in the repair center (I thought you did this in house, by the way …).

So do you also try to tag and analyse these? It would help to find out the problems that need official articles, software updates or other help fast. Sharing those stats with the community could also help, because there is no public bug tracker right now.

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Ok, the percentage with the users of the forum is probably different. :wink:

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Haha, this is without a doubt true :smiley:

Waterdamage or cracked displays are not for in-warranty. So then what are the reasons for in-warranty returns ?

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Continuing the twrp topic, so you know whether it’s planned to upgrade to a newer version of twrp? Something in the 3.x range? Because people with encrypted devices would need a recent version (if description is supported at all, send quite difficult in recovery)
Edit:send -> seems

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Yes, of course we keep statistics as well. Otherwise we would be completely lost! Our main (communication) system is Zendesk, which is connected to our order system, financial system, shipping, etc. Zendesk has an datacenter called Insight, which is vital to our functioning.

Regarding the information tracking gap - it would be great if we can in the future separate the repair tickets from the ‘other’ tickets. The nature of a repair ticket is very different from any other ticket (mainly the resolution time is different) which skews the data which we use. That is why it would be great to make that separation, unfortunately our current set up does not allow it. Maybe in the near future, this is a project to come! Regarding the data which we have in our system, we are continuously working to get a better oversight of what our tickets consist of. We can this way indeed make much better assessments of the kind of support material, macro’s ( = templates) and tutorials we need, and therefore reduce the amount of tickets created in the first place.

We don’t do our repairs in house, but we have a very trusty repair center with whom we have a very good relationship. Their main business is repairing Fairphones, and the knowledge and experience they’ve built up over the last years is staggering.

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Sadly I do not know this and it reminds me that in our next AMA we could ask someone from the Fairphone Open OS dev team to sit behind the keyboard. I’ll ask them if they feel like doing this! :slight_smile:

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Hi @anon48893843,
regarding customer support for the software part, do you plan to provide something like Bugzilla or Mantis in order to have better tracking of bugs (and better to distinguish even between FP OS and FP open OS issues)? I see lots of duplicate topics on the forum because novice users don’t use the search button and ask always the same things :slight_smile:
Thank you very much! :slight_smile:

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If a phone goes to our repair center and we are not sure why it is malfunctioning, there is a possibility of in or out of warranty. So that is how you can find that there is a factory fault, and therefore an in-warranty return. Not every factory fault can be spotted from a distance by one of our agents. Some faults have to be ‘found’ by one of our technicians in the repair center. Or, you find out that the phone has been swimming in river, and the repair will need to be an out-of-warranty one…

Another reason for an in-warranty return would be what we call a cool-off: a customer may return his or her phone within 14 days after receiving it for a refund. But in this case we don’t send it to our repair center, but to the distribution center, where the phone can start a new life as a refurbished phone.

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Hi @anon48893843 and @Douwe: so now that the first AMA is almost over, what’s your take on it? Was it worthwhile, did you enjoy it, will you repeat it again?

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Hi Michiel, thanks for taking your time for this AMA and also thanks to your team for the great work they do!

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that the backlog that accumulated was quite frustrating for many users. It made me wonder, how could that have happened? Why do you think was it nor foreseeable that there would be so many additional support requests that Fairphone seemed to be surprised, or at least hasn’t been able to cover this amount of requests. Or what do you think has triggered this seemingly unforeseeable flood of requests?
For some users here it left the impression that FP2 is a bad product, since apparently the support team got overwhelmed by requests.

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