Hi AnotherElk
Now that is a good answer. Thank you very much. Clearly I have not done my homework.
And you have used cunning logic in your argumentation which is seldomly seen today.
How then should one distinguish between the systems? /e/, lineage are clear. Should we say “google”-android? Usually when people say “android” it is clear what is meant: A mobile OS which has implemented google-libraries.
Infested Android? 
Just kidding.
I guess I usually say “Android with Google” or “Android with GApps”, but there’s not really a name.
Yes, because most people don’t know about custom ROMs, or don’t know what AOSP is, or don’t know the process of getting a ROM Google certified, or don’t even know what a ROM is and just use their phone. So in the common vocabulary, Android is always considered to be with GApps.
I guess it depends with whom you are talking 
I think “Android with Google” is a good term, because that’s simply what most Android OSes delivered by device vendors are, and because the major motivation to try something else seems to be to “de-google” a device, so “Android without Google” works well for the Custom ROMs.
(Of course, even if de-googled, Android itself is still mainly done and stewarded by Google, one can always make it as complicated as one likes 
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Hello All,
mhmhm, how many years of patience up to Android 9 for FP2?
My only opinion is a new central unit (proz, ect.).
The new FP3 and almost every other new Phone (Samsumg, Huawei, Sony ect.) are greater than 5".
These do not fit into my pockets.
So, a new one is not an expedient solution.
Hoping for better times
Thomas
Knowing the last beta passed the google certification, I’d say I’d rather count in weeks.
Otherwise… 
Android 9 Beta – Progression/stability?
I believe this won’t happen. No chance. So don’t get your hopes too high.
My FP2 got too unreliable to use for work. At one point it seemed to be dead, even after taking it apart and cleaning all the contacts. In the end I had to give up and buy another phone … and all I could get in a hurry was an unfair phone (A Moto G7 Power … which I have say, from a reliability, performance and price PoV is excellent, the battery lasts for days).
THEN I had the chance to deep clean the FP2, giving the contacts a good scrub with a cloth and lots of switch cleaner … it came back to life and might have been OK. However, trust is gone and the Moto G7 does the job. The FP2 is retired to being my partner’s mini tablet for bed time backgammon and checking the news.
When the G7 dies I will get another fairphone (FP4 or FP5 by then maybe!)
Conclusion: you may get it to work again, but reliability will always be doubtful and battery life poor.
Well that’s interesting too.
Unfortunately the success I received with cleaning the insides was short lived. I’m back to random reboots and crashing apps. Grrrrr!!!
Very similar experiences Ange. I am also torn about whether to go for a new FP3 or give up. I had all the random reboots, slowness etc., now the microphone isn’t working!
I had the same with my FP2 (2016)
I bought an occasion and an second hand motherboard and ended up with 2 fp2’s.
After factory setups on both, it seemed to go well, but after a while on one phone , problems started again. With the occasions we also got 3 batteries, changing them the picture was, that when the battery was low, the problems started again, so I bought 2 new batteries at fairphone and now I have 2 working phones. Isn’t there someone in your environment with a good batterie, so you can try this out? It is cheaper and better for the environment, then a new phone. Good luck 
Thanks. Yes I’ve tried the battery route before. I’m on my third battery now. But problems still persist.
I have experienced a lot of these same issues too, some not maybe as bad and some worse. A factory reboot helped for a while, but I’m back with reboots and poor battery life (I have bought a new one, and no, it didn’t help). I bought mine less than two years ago as a factory refurbished one, so maybe the lifespan has just simply expired? Are there any calculations about what the expected lifespan of core modules are?
I had hoped that I would have been able to stick with this one for maybe 4–5 years. As of now it doesn’t seem so and this seems counter-productive in view of the mission providing sustainable and longlifed phones (even if they have seen previous use). As a consumer I feel tricked.
All tips about switching OS are of course valid, but I just want a working ethically manufactured phone without the fuss of wading through manuals about different installing OSs and troubleshooting. And I think that as a consumer I’m not alone in this desire. I hope FP is be able to resolve its issues as the cause is just.