Headphone jack is not coming back to Fairphone

As you want to be precise: opening the link I responded to

I can read the following and will add a plural s to phone in my comment

Nokia G22 and Nokia G42 5G

Well I don’t mind, have no use for it anyway…to be honest I wish I could opt out the selfie camera…to me the most useless invention ever …I would rather have a screen without that useless camera in it.
Less is more I guess

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Still waiting for the 3.5mm jack to re-appear.

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Does this make sense for you on the earbuds?

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There are great hybrid earbuds that can switch being cabled or wireless. People still have a lot of cabled headphones and these don’t even need integrated batteries as Bluetooth modules have these integrated. The reason for removing the jack weren’t great when they were first made, and they don’t make sense even know. Nice repairable TWS earbuds don’t change a single thing about the lack of proper wired headphone support.

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Which earbud has space for a headphone jack? Anyway, check the Fairbuds XL, it can do what you want. The dongle will fix any legacy connector that’s not USB C yet.

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I do use the USB-Jack dongle for my old, cheap, wired gamer headphones (which I always use when calling from home, where I work most of the time). Using the bluetooth earbuds for this would be stupid, I’d kill their teeny tiny batteries in one year, and sitting at a desk the cable doesn’t bother me the least.
I was somewhat skeptical at first but Fairphone’s USB-Jack dongle works better than I expected, so I’m rather satisfied with that. My headphone’s cable got 10 cm longer, that’s all. :man_shrugging:

If there is something I sorely miss on the FP4, it would be a LED!..
It’s extremely annoying to never know if you have new messages unless you walk up to the phone and press the button. I really miss my old Samsung’s kindly blinking to inform me it would like my attention (the color telling me if it was a call, a SMS, an email, etc.)…
Each time I look at my FP4, I’m thinking “what is it not telling me right now?”… :slightly_frowning_face:

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The earbud doesn’t have a headphone jack. The earbud has a B or C-pin connector that either connects to a 3.5mm cable or a Bluetooth ear-hook module.
And “buy this other pair of headphones” is not a solution. I want to use my regular headphones, which all use a 3.5mm jack on my phone without a stupid dongle (because I’ve dealt with them on some devices and I hate them. They’re incredibly inconvenient).
That’s not a hard ask.

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But it is.

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I had little hope that headphone jacks would come back but at the same time it is disheartening to actually read a definitive statement on that regard.
Especially since in the last weeks my problems with the USB-C dongle are getting worse and worse to the point of being unusable.
I haven’t had the time yet to to investigate the reason but as of now the problem seems to be on the Fairphone’s side. This is really a bother.

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It still isn’t, the video is a poor excuse.

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I would really love to see hybrid Earbuds, and a repairable set of those, but despite all even Fairphone is a company and doesn’t seem to be able to follow instances which makes sense for customers and not the industry.
It might be a stretch, but in my opinion here we see the limits of having such a reformist approach to systemic issues (like e-waste in a neoliberal economy) while remaining part of it, as a company they still need to come to compromises… :confused:

That said, community projects are the way, please let me know if you find any sustainable hybrid set of earbuds!

Nope it’s not. USB C can do charging, video, data transfer, storage, peripherals and audio. Now imagine if we create a connector for each of those functions. The 3.5mm jack is also huge, thus takes up a lot of space. It’s harder to clean and replace. And it’s not used that much, I travel in public transportation daily, I hardly see anyone with a wired headset. So it doesn’t make much sense to insist on a redundant port. Add up all these reasons and that 3.5mm jack is just a waste.

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At least arguments agaisnt BT devices is in the meantime no longer valid

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Hi all thanks for this great thread.

I’m onboard with the jacks lovers. The main reason for it to disappear is explained by a cost trade off. Can we have a cost analyse breaking down the premium of driving the proc’s DAC and routing an amp to a jack socket. I know that a chunky bit of work but I couldn’t find it online and so that it’s done once for all, please state sources or whether a number is an estimate. if that’s to consider, show evidence of the failure rates from jacks ports.
I’m not able to find out these numbers for myself sadly but If there is time on your hands I’d also be curious to know how that compares with the technical cost increase from wireless earbuds and cases or other end devices directly in relation to the choice.

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Hi, welcome to the forum!

Where do you read this? The reasons are actually (space and use) efficiency, repairability and sustainability.

Hey sorry I though I read it here :

So as far as I gather :

  • Unlike me a majority of present customers don’t mind using wireless sound peripherals or dongles.
  • Mechanically the design of jack connector is hard to maintain.
  • pushing the DAC and amp outside the phone’s boundary improves it, at the expense of the sound peripheral

Since USB-C could convey analog signals, and provided it isn’t costing so much could fairphone use this feature? That could enable the active dongle to become a passive adaptor. And be accepted in much the same way as the 3.5mm to 6.35mm jack adaptor, rugged enough to stay on the phone. And maybe slot two usb-C ports in the future?

Ho I’m getting onboard with the USB-C now, I want more usbc ports on different sides of the phone, and I want the dongles to be hard-blocks extending into more usb-c. finally, so that we can properly call it a modular design, I want the protective case to mecanically hold it all in place, effectively leaving me to choose the phone size versus peripheral I want! And finally in 2030 I’ll have reached perfection of a sustainable updated phone that like my ex-samsung galaxy s4 mini has both a jack and a IR-LED !!! (for only 4 times the volume but hey…)

What you see or don’t is irrelevant, since it’s highly contextual. I see tons of people with both wired and wireless headsets where I live. Arguing either way makes no sense.
Also the headphone jack is not that big at all. Even my Unihertz Jelly Star has it and that phone is positively tiny. Replacing it is just as easy as replacing a USB-C port and cleaning it is not that hard at all if you’ve ever had the experience of having to do it (the only port I ever had to clean was a lightning port, twice. Those things attract lint like they’re magnetised to it).

It’s clear we’re not seeing eye to eye on this, but my position is adamant. I would have had a Fairphone if they kept the jack. Till the day they bring it back, a Fairphone is not an option. Not having the jack is an inconvenience to me that cannot be solved with a dongle, since that is an inconvenience in itself.

note that you need a DAC and amp for the phone audio since it must be able to play sound from its speakers

the DAC and amp in my very cheap laptop is excellent for whatever reason, absolutely transparent to my ears (unlike my computer’s motherboard which can’t amplify my headphones to a decent volume without distortion) so it’s not like it’s impossible to use the DAC/AMP for everything and also provide it as a jack

my use case is charging while listening to my wired IEMs, if I listen too long the TWS will lose all charge - but I can’t charge and listen through the USB-C port

so while outside I’ll use the TWS for convenience, at home I do use the 3.5mm jack