FP7 Future Fairphone tech

Hi @u_karpatow

it was only a thread summary till post 159. Actually I removed Alu-Ion battery, beause at least to my research the typical voltage (2.65V instead of 3.8-3.9V with Li-Ion) might to low and they are actually only used in reasearch (probbaly a future technology). I replaced it with “ alternative to Li-Ion battery as long as it is really better” as @Knowbody suggeted.

@Knowbody also said this and I reduced this to min 256 GB ionternal storage and micro-SD slot with SDXC card support (<= 2TB).

Timo

Hi @u_karpatow ,

after some research I found that the efficeny of wireless charge is at 70-80% and with cabled charge at >90 %.

You may decied.

Timo

No-one (as far as I can see) has mentioned the “Fairphone Moments”. Should FP7 keep the big yellow button?

It is a switch but also i would more like get back the camera button. It was so convenient on my Sony phones

Wireless charging saves three new USB-C ports over the Fairphone’s life cycle. :sweat_smile:

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How long did you use your Fairphone?

I own mine sine 09/2022 an had to change USB-C port (07/2025) and battery (02/2026) only once. And I had now other problems

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I’ve already had to replace the USB port twice. The third port is in the drawer as a spare.

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Good Bluetooth reception and wireless charging. The often mentioned bad charging efficiency is just not that important compared to practicality.

Lets start by saying that I really like FP and the mission. I’ve been a FP user and advocate since FP2. I currently trying to keep a FP3 from 2019 alive, that over the years have been upgrade with the FP3+ camera, new batteries, USB-module, in addition to salvaging of parts from other dead FP3+ phone. The phone is starting to get really slow and is struggling to keep up with my current multi-app-switching-and background-services-use. It is getting quite painful, so I currently just need to switch to a more modern replacement phone.

The crux is that my car (model y juniper) only have a single, not so greatly placed, USB-port in between the front seats, and using a protruding charging cable just makes the phone not stay in it’s intended place and the phone keeps falling down in the foot well. The car do however have good support for wireless charging. For that reason I can not see me choosing a phone without wireless charging and will hence be forced to step away from choosing a USB-only Fairphone. I even have the possibility to use my wife’s old FP4, but I do not see that happening due to lack of wireless charging.

Regarding the importance of good Bluetooth reception I can only share the anecdotal story of my son using BT-connected blood glucose meters. He tries to use it together with a FP3 but the continuous metering was spotty at best, especially in crowded places like in a sports hall. He had to buy a second-hand Samsung S21 instead, which solved the problem. Samsung S-series is recommended by at least a few other type 1 diabetics due to the good Bluetooth support.

Yes, I am aware of that (and iodeOS as well), but you’re still dependent on Google via their patching policy (which was recently weakened) and their (lack of) source. They also lack behind on security updates in the browser, though that data may be dated by now, I don’t know. It is a good effort though. What I wonder about is how is the development going these days, given CalyxOS is essentially RIP and both are forks.

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A secure element to be able to run GrapheneOS isn’t a fake security feature.

But also, I don’t want a 3.5 mm headphone jack, a second USB-C is more versatile.

There’s a display tech Chinese are going to implement, it will have built-in privacy filter. How good that is, I don’t know.

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A secure element is first of a all a further element that can be attacked and the past showed, that every element will be attacked and breached. Most secure elements where a heap of attack points crying to be breached. But the real problem is, that a secure element is not controlled by the OS. That means a breach in a secure element is invisible to the OS.

Samsung just released that feature with the S26 models.

Is a secure element identical to a Trsuted Platform Module?

I found the answer myself. No.

I didn’t mean a TPM, which is also quite bad, but something like Titan or Intels IME.

@all would you care about remove e-ink display from nice to have list?

3.5 mm headphone jack on future generation Fairphone
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e-ink display on future Fairphone generation
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This polls automaticlly closes on March, 26th at 21:59 CET. (90 days)

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I am sorry for the removed votes. I did not know, that discoure removes the votes after naming the poll.

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Both are useful, if used properly and controlled by the user.

Especially the user/device owner usually has no control. And even if, the security gain is not worth the risks.