FP5 without google?

[llluuuzzziii]

Where is Murena
waiting

[paolo-caroni]

I was writing about internal support, free software development on the company. Murena is a external company, that have a collaboration/cooperation with fairphone, but is different from an internal support. See the warranty for example, fairphone os 2 years, murena only 1 year. I don’ tknow if fairphone employees actively develop the murena os, or LineageOS or any other free os like ubuntu or postmarketos.

[yvmuell]

I think this was discussed many times already in different topics and I personally dont agree as FP has cooperations with e/OS and Iode OS and there are so many dfferent OS including Ubuntu…

Most recent discussion here

FP5 without google?

Will there be a google-free version of Android supported on FP5? Which of the (e.g. camera) features discussed in the launch event are gGoogle-only? Besides this, what about other OSs like postmarketOS? (Which is somewhat running on the FP4 thanks to @z3ntu.) From this qualcomm sheet about the QCM6490 chip I have no idea how Linux-mainline-friendly the FP5 will be

Will close and merge.

[yvmuell]

@paolo-caroni

I don’ tknow if fairphone employees actively develop the murena os, or LineageOS or any other free os like ubuntu or postmarketos.

Why should they? Thats a community effort and still there is cooperation.

@paolo-caroni

warranty for example, fairphone os 2 years, murena only 1 year

And warranty is 5 years now with FP4+5 even when you buy it with murena to my knowledge, where did you read its not?

@yvmuell

Overall I still think people expect too much from Fairphone and they cant make all user happy, as some want a pure Linux system (expecting it will be a minority) many (guessing its still the majority) want Google, some dont want Google and still want to do everything as if they had Google… for me a difficult fight which such a small and still new company cant manage all at once and I think it good to concentrate on one step after the other, else we will fast have no Fairphone at all.

To repeat myself

[paolo-caroni]

@yvmuell

Why should they? Thats a community effort and still there is cooperation.

On fairphone 2 they have released a aosp free rom, a innovative and foss launcher, a beautiful app called “peace of mind”… actually they permit to install other os, just like sony for example… for me this “permission” is the minimum requirement to buy a phone. But honestly I would expect a better behavior from a fair and European company.
All the fairphone app actually are closed source, not only the google api dependent.

[yvmuell]

@paolo-caroni

On fairphone 2 they have released a aosp free rom

Yes they offered a Google free varriant of their system and FPOOS was only used by 5-10% of the user, so they decided to not provide this any more and instead have the cooperation with murena since the FP3.

I consider this a logic decision…

So for me its all said and time to agree to disagree.

[paolo-caroni]

@yvmuell

where did you read its not?

4.3.11 Installation of a Third Party Operating System.

But this is not the “problem”, I have only noted that they have changed the approach, and was asking if other have noted this too.

[yvmuell]

Well you brought up the warranty and to my understanding your statement is not correct for FP4 and FP5 and I think there are rarely any FP3+ still within the 2 years of warranty

[Volker]

Actually I also disagree.
I think you’re mixing up things here.
You can buy murena FP5 and get 5 years of extended warranty and you can buy FPOS FP5 and you get 5 years of extended warranty.
You just can’t buy FPOS FP5, install /e/OS and claim the warranty with this changed OS installed. And I think that’s logic as FP can’t support their HW with different OS versions installed.

And AFAIK it has always been the case that there were closed source parts of the OS (mainly the driver/modem parts) and open source parts (the adapted AOSP part). I think that’s the same for FP3, 4 and 5.

I think they currently even stretch a little bit into alternative OS region by selling Murena FP5 on the FP shop page.

@paolo-caroni

On fairphone 2 they have released a aosp free rom, a innovative and foss launcher, a beautiful app called “peace of mind”…

…and the noticed that as a small company they can’t afford this development. So they released the sources to give the community the possibility to improve these apps. You can find discussions and reasoning if you read the according old topics on this forum.

[oli.sax]

@Volker

You just can’t buy FPOS FP5, install /e/OS and claim the warranty with this changed OS installed. And I think that’s logic as FP can’t support their HW with different OS versions installed.

AFAIK changing OS doesn’t void the warranty, but you have to go back to stock OS before complaining for bugs/defects…