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#96

I always thought all Android phones can use USB peripherals on the micro USB port. At least my very first smartphone (Samsung Galaxy S) from 2010 was capable of that. Is that not the case for Fairphone? All you need(ed back then) is an adapter from micro USB to USB-A.

Edit: The adapter is called USB OTG (on-the-go). Apparently not all phones are compatible. Here is an incomplete list of compatible devices. Stackoverflow has instructions on how to test whether it works and how to get it working.


#97

You are right, for OTG you need

  • capable hardware (phone)
  • a special OTG cable
  • external power.
  • the needed kernel modules. IE, mass storage driver, HID driver, etc… which are usually absent from stock ROMs.

So it requires a bit of hacking, but technically possible.
You can run ‘USB host diagnostics’ from play store to check your phone capabilities. I’ll try this when I get my FP2 :slight_smile:

edit : sorry i didn’t see your edit and the links you posted. they say pretty much the same, sorry for the repeat


#98

Hi people

I’m not sure, but I think that probably many will want the FP only with a good rear camera - it is useful for many, including many activists, and although that’s not the major point of this phone, it makes it much more attractive, given the high price

Is there any optional module like that? even if not from FP shop itself

Thanks!


#99

This is an user forum. Search the forum and you will find hints that it could be possible to do so. But keep in mind: The FP company needs money and selling modules is a good way to do so. So if too many people update their phones like that, it will hurt the project in the long run. Just wait a tiny bit longer for an update, I’m sure there will be one some day.


#100

Oh, but what about a module from the company itself? I didn’t mean to go behind or something - I’m just thinking this is a serious selling point and also I’m not sure that such a module should be that expensive


#101

I think (I’m just a FP1 user) that there will be an upgrade module soon. But look, the phone just came out, so just give them some time, most of the FP2s are not even shipped yet. :wink: For everything else, just have a look at the forum, the FP2 specs, the pictures of the inside of the modules and at the code released for the FP2 and you can see that there is room for such an upgrade … as one can expect from a phone with modules :slight_smile:


#102

You know, I just feel bad as it is for buying all the consumer stuff I do. Currently I have some chinese $80 smartphone, so a $500-$600 phone is not a thing I’d usually do, and if I’m going for this phone, at least I want a nice camera or an option for such a thing

Thanks!


#103

Currently there is no such option (reviews and users say the camera is usable but does not compare to cameras in high end smartphones like an iPhone). If this is important to you, you should probably hold back and not buy a Fairphone yet. I personally doubt that Fairphone will offer upgrade modules in the short term. But I’m just guessing.


#104

Yeah I also have the feeling they are really busy atm with things further above on their todo list. Also I never heard them say they plan to make updated modules themselves at all…


#105

For the people looking for NFC: in the Netherlands some providers are already handing out new SIM cards with an NFC chip on it for wireless payment and public transport. So that would eliminate the need to put NFC on the FP2 itself.

For the new modules: think FP would do wise, in my opinion, first to enter the US & Canadian market and see if they can double the amount of FP2’s sold. That will free up more money to invest in future developments on the technical side and on getting the production and minerals for the phones even more fair.

On the technical side: I hope the FP2 design is future proof enough for an updated version with better camera’s, better processor, USB 3.1 etc but that those modules are still compatible with the first version of the FP2. Than users can decide if they want an update (i.e. a better camera) or just stick to their existing FP2. And when something brakes they can replace it with an upgraded part. Advantage for FP: they can reuse the design and save development costs and the consumer will be re-assured that spare parts will be available much longer. And users send the replaced parts back to FP so they can be in stock for repairs or recycled when broken.


#106
  1. Doesn’t FP want to say something clear about it?

  2. Also, about entering the CA/US market - I’m pretty sure that for $600 you’d need some nice things like a little better camera that you can find in a $200 smartphone today (Moto G 3rd gen / others)


#107

Actually I have heard Olivier (Fairphone OTC) mention the possibility at Friday’s community event.

When talking about modularity of Fairphone 2, he said that it also enables them to provide replacement modules for a longer time because the parts don’t necessarily need to be the exact same version. He mentioned the problem for other phones that components (say, a camera) gets an update every couple of years and the manufacturer stops selling the original component.

Olivier said that with Fairphone 2 this is less of a problem because the modularity makes it easier to include updated components where in “normal” phones these updates might cause problems.

However, this was highly theoretical and sounded more like a contingency plan to make modules longer available but not include better versions right away. So this basically emphasizes @paulakreuzer’s point that it’s unlikely for Fairphone to sell upgrade modules at the moment.

That sounds like a very reasonable plan. I hope Fairphone is reading your post :smile:


#108

About NFC : No, no, no ! yeah, with the sim card, we can pay by NFC/take the bus , but you are forgetting the fun part of NFC ! : with an app like Tasker or Automata and some cheap NFC tag , you can make automatized actions, like turning on wifi, making the phone silent, forcing sync, open an app,etc, it’s a gadget, but it’s SOOOOOO useful daily !
Personnaly :

  • 1 on nightstand : silent mode + turn off wifi/bluetooth/GPS (for the night)
  • another on nightstand : turn on wifi + sync + updates (so i can be sure, when i’m getting ready on the morning, that my phone is getting ready too ^^)
    -1 near kitchen sink : connect to my speakers, start playing music (ideal for dishwashing)
    -1 inside the laptop : enable bluetooth and be visible (so i can transfer things to my phone)
    Also, my headphones and portable speaker have “active” NFC chip, allowing to pair it to phone instantly (while the “passive”’ one can’t pair it, just connect if it’s in range, dependent of the phone application), very comfortable to use.

#109

As I understand, other apps could use the NFC chip on the SIM as well. So perhaps it is still possible to use the same NFC chip for the actions you want. The only problem I read in the little print is that not all smartphones will be able to use the NFC on the SIM card.

As soon as I have my FP2 I will test this. My printer supports NFC and I have to order a new SIM from KPN (which is free for post paid) and that will have NFC.


#110

I have an nfc enabeled SIM card, but i can’t use it since my phone is not nfc, as i understood, the chip inside the SIM doesn’t contain an antenna, it’s just a bridge between the phone (wich have nfc) and the payment service
Not sure at all either…


#111

[quote]The ability to use your SIM as an ATM card is dependent on a NFC-enabled smartphone (using Android 4.1. or higher)
[/quote]
Translated freely from this Austrian source


#112

Why do they call this a “Bankomatkarte” (“ATM card”) when you can’t use this at an ATM?

And I think this is broken by design because it is not working on rooted devices. (That means that the security of a smartphone is overestimated by them. All Android devices except the Google Nexus ones :de: have open security holes now, so you can’t even trust your FP1/FP2.)


#113

You can pay at wireless NFC terminals in supermarkets for example. I do use this. But with my NFC-enabled ATM card, not with my ATM-enabled NFC-phone. :stuck_out_tongue: I trust this little piece of plastic more than my phone to be secure.


#114

For financial transactions and the like you need two things: the NFC transmitter/receiver and a secure element. Usually, the secure element is embedded on a SIM in current banking setups (unless I’m very much mistaken). The communications are handled by the hardware on the phone. There’s an explanation of the secure element part here.

If the latest update to my local bank’s ATMs is anything to go by, you’ll soon be able to use it at the ATM.
[sarcasm] Actually, if they keep adding features at this rate, they’ll probably soon start dispensing free coffee while you wait for your cash. [/sarcasm]


#115

It has already been said elsewhere, but it seemed me interesting to add it here : an improvment would be to being able to know in which position the phone is in our hand when we pull it out of a pocket.

Currently, the FP2 is too symetric and I’m always seeking the unlock button.

A cover with striations on on half (lock button upper half or APN bottom half) should achieve this.

Or, having a soft and a rugged material in those bicolor 3D printed covers : Fairphone 2 3D printed casings available