šŸ’™ Blue heart as like symbol on the forum?

Or at https://panopticlick.eff.org which includes e.g. system fonts.

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That one just got me! :joy::sweat_smile::ok_hand:

Sorry, but did I miss the decision-taking? If this is rammed through at will like this, why start a discussion at all? This is abuse of power.

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So you can say you asked the community and (optionally) cherry-pick fitting parts of the discussion to justify the decision :slight_smile: .

I donā€™t care that much about the process, but smiley-free for the record: I donā€™t like the blue heart being used for this.
Image searches for ā€œcold heartā€ ā€¦

https://www.google.de/search?q=cold+heart&tbm=isch

This is the association now if you like what somebody posted?
This is placing corporate identity above empathy and common sense in my point of view.

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As I really can not put it any better, I just quote the previous postings.

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Sometimes it makes me sad how fast trusted forum members turn into insulting finger-pointers.
Yā€™all do know this is a community forum, but the admins are still FP employees that donā€™t read all of the forum right?
How about you assume this was a miscommunication between moderator and admin or maybe a test to get more peopleā€™s attention before you start accusing people of abusing their power (what power?)?
Anyways as far as I can see there is more support for the blue heart than opposition - even if we count those who flip-flop between ā€œI donā€™t really careā€ and ā€œa blue heart would mean the end of the worldā€ to the opposition.
But letā€™s have a poll, to get a better overview about what the forum population really wants.

  • I prefer the old red heart
  • I prefer the fairphone-blue heart
  • I really (really!) donā€™t care

0 voters

The poll is open for a week and you can change your vote up until then.

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I have to say I really, really donā€™t care what colour the heart/like symbol isā€¦

What I do care about is that we all understand each other and chat through any disagreements in a civilised manner.

So here are my thought for consideration by the group

I disagree that a blue heart symbol within the context of this forum would logically or reasonably lead people to believe that you actively ā€˜likingā€™ in blue would be ā€˜cold heartedā€™ or be considered as ā€˜dislikingā€™ a post

That said, perhaps a blue star could be used instead?

I agree that there wasnā€™t a decisive conclusion reached in the discussion, but I do not agree that this was an abuse of power. I believe the decision was taken as the conversation evolved. There was limited objection or counter-argument and the discussion assumed agreement.

On balance, it would have been better to have had a poll and agree the outcome of the poll before implementing anything.

See above, I do agree this could have been handled better and that there was a lack of communication.

Finally, I just wanted to repeat this sentiment. We donā€™t have to resort to these sorts of posts. Weā€™re all grown ups and definitely NOT trolls, so letā€™s remember to take up matters privately with each other and ask questions rather than point fingers.

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If @anon83519835 or another Fairphone employee perceived this as an attack on himself, then I apologize.

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On the actual point, I strongly believe we need to give much more weight to considerations of ease of use, functionality and accessibility when taking decisions about this forum. Right now I think we are tailoring this boards towards the preferences of just the most active members (and when you have a look at the forum stats, you can see I am part of that group). And in turn, that can not be helpful to reach out to lesser tech-enthusiastic Fairphoners and to make it easier for them to join and be active in the forum.

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I wholeheartedly agree with @urs_lesse.
And I agree with @Chris_R that it - to say the least - was a case of bad communication.
So hereā€™s my 2 cents in addition to the last posting. And please regard it as a general remark and no fingerpointing whatsoever
1 someone comes up with an idea
2 he/she asks for opinions on this idea
3 hardly a handful of users engages in the discussion
So, what to make of it?
A) Post, that you will test it and ask for opinions again,
B) Test/Change it and - at the same time - make an anouncement on the forum why you did it
C) Drop the case, as hardly anyone took part or even noticed the topic,
D) Change it without further notice?

Thatā€™s just a few of the possibilities, but I really do hope, that we can agree on ā€œD)ā€ being the least sensible choice.
Making any changes should always take into consideration, that they affect all users and that most people usually like the things they are used to, to stay unaltered. Thatā€™s why rebranding, a change of name or packaging are quite rare and when they happen, they are accompanied by heavy marketing. Remember the new FP logo?
Thatā€™s why I really opt for keeping changes to neccessary cases only and not for those instances, when one or a few users/admins/mods think ā€œthat would be niceā€
And thatā€™s, where the - maybe a bit hefty - remark about abuse of power comes in (btw. it was not directed at someone specific if I get it right). When an idea is discussed between a few users only without reaching a conclusion and next someone goes ā€œjust do itā€ simply because he/she can, it exactly feels like an abuse of power, as everyone else is still in discussion-mode.
@paulakreuzer
Do you remember, what you felt about my moving a posting (due to a misunderstanding on my side). See, thatā€™s the way I guess @urs_lesse felt.

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I do not care what colour the heart isā€¦if you all want it redā€¦I make it redā€¦if you all want it purple I make it purpleā€¦it looked like more people wanted blue so I did a minor css changeā€¦so please let me know if the final decision is madeā€¦than I can make it whateverā€¦also I never feel attacked or insulted by anyone in the virtual worldā€¦we all know that love rules the worldā€¦love comes in all shapes and coloursā€¦red, blueā€¦as long as it is love :smiley:

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You are not talking about just one person here as the person who came up with the idea didnā€™t /couldnā€™t change it themselves.
From what I can see @Stefan asked @anon83519835 whether he could make the changes (I donā€™t know if Stefan intended that to be an invitation to do the changes). At Sep 11, 11:22 AM Stije announced that he did and not 2 minutes later the bashing began. Maybe Stefan was not online at the same time as Stije did the changes or maybe he was pissed because of the comments. Both a good reason not to post a level-headed explanatory post in-synch with the action I think.

This whole thing reminds me of another well-intended idea by Stefan: The ā€œRefugees Welcomeā€-account title. Itā€™s okay not to like an idea, but there are limits to how harsh you should voice your disapproval. Stefan ended up closing and hiding the topic, because of a handful of very loud voices.
Sure that was an optional and voluntary change to your personal profile, while this is/would be a change that every forum member will encounter.

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Hmmm ā€¦ couldnā€™t it be made configurable in the Interface section of the Profile preferences?
If the settings there are fixed or not easily customizable, there could be theme variants (ā€œFairphone Originalā€/ā€œFairphone Original Red Heartā€ and ā€œFairphone-New-2017ā€/ā€œFairphone-New-2017-Red-Heartā€) ā€¦ and yes, Iā€™m aware that this way of doing it wouldnā€™t scale well if we want to colour more UI elements differently :slight_smile: .

Well, life goes on, blue heart or red heart ā€¦
For Firefox thereā€™s @Roboeā€™s nice extension already.
And there are more general browser extensions out there for injecting CSS changes from the userā€™s side into any site.

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I asked @anon83519835 to make the necessary changes om September 2nd (over a week ago), when the discussion diverted and there seemed to be more people liking my proposal:

or not caring:

than being against it:

I agree that a poll is a good idea and I admit that i hadnā€™t thought about it. Please ask for a poll next time (or create one yourself). Thanks to @paulakreuzer, who simply went ahead and created a poll.

The reason for my rushing was that I didnā€™t want a discussion to get delayed like this one: Rearranging Categories (again) . It has been going on for a year between only a handful of people, we have found a consensus and no action has been taken. I asked @anon83519835 to also go ahead and do the changes, but if you like, we can also make a poll about that decision.

I think that the category structure has a much higher impact on the entrance barrier to the forum than the colour of the heart icon.

I like this idea because of the old Fairphone logo, but I think there is a reason, why Discourse chose the heart rather than the star, which is more like a symbol to bookmark your favourite websites.

It was neither.

I also didnā€™t want to abuse any power (if I had more power I might abuse it and change the ugly favicon ;)) and want to apologize for causing bad feelings with some people here. I hope you can accept the apology. :slight_smile:

Ps: I was indeed ā€œafkā€ (away from keyboard) the whole day. If Fairphone paid me, Iā€™d do the same working hours as @anon83519835. :wink:

PS:

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Maybe you missed this part:

While @Stefan already explained everything, there for sure are no hard feelings on my behalf nor have there ever been.

Still, as I just now learned about the ā€œRefugees Welcomeeā€ case, that seems to have had some parallels:
Stefan lists 8 users participating in this discussion.
There are nearly 20,000 registered users; maybe 2,000 of them active?

In my humble opinion the following could be a good basis for decisions:
If it enhances security, useability or is required by law, just do it and talk about it (parallel or in advance)
If itā€™s just design, fashion or individual liking and there are less than 20 people even interested enough to join the discussion, donā€™t do it.
If itā€™s design etc and you get a lively discussion between many users, do a poll and act according to it, talking about it (see above).

Of course, thatā€™s just what I would do, as I would guess it could help minimizing miscommunication and misunderstandings.

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Can you change my vote to ā€œnot caringā€ please? I voted before I read the entire thread.

Youā€™ll have to do that yourself. Just click on ā€œhide resultsā€ and change your vote.

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so what is the deal now?..I need to change the heart in a star?..a blue one? :smiley: I can do that also if neededā€¦

Wait till poll is over in 6 days.

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Letā€™s implement a ā€œheart colorā€ option in the personal user settings.

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