Advocating a FP2 mini

If the arrival of the phone is less than two weeks ago, you can also give it back and get a refund.

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For myself, I’m abolutely happy with the size of my FP2, actually, I got used to the screen size surprisingly quick (had a 4" SGS before).

But my wife refuses to replace her old phone by a FP2 because it’s just too big for her. Her maximum acceptable size is somewhere about 4.5".

I absolutely see the difficulties of designing a FP2 mini and it’s clear to me that this is not achievable short or mid term (e.g. in the next year), but I also think there is a market for smaller sized model.

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No thanks. 4" would be unnecessarily small for me. Also Nokia N97 was a pretty horrible device, so I’m not sure what you mean by Nokia being “at it’s best”. That time was Nokia at its’ worst imo.

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Just adding my two cents pro Mini: a couple of months after I received my FP2, I’m still using my old Samsung S4 Mini, among others because I had been so supportive of the FP concept I hadn’t payed attention to the size… If it weren’t that I want to be a living promotion of it, I might even consider ‘giving it away’.

I consider myself definitely part of an existing market for a mini… but still, a solid strategy, integrated concept,… is vital. So keep the debate, info and arguments coming :).

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I’m exactly in the same position, I’ve been so supportive of the FairPhone concept that I didn’t paid enought attention to the size.

Then, to be true, I am even more annoyed by the 2-days battery life resulting of the screen size. If I’m not reloading the FP2 once every two days, it will shutdown during the 2nd night. So I have to constantly monitor this parameter. It feels I’m spending my life on it and I can’t wait to get my Neo900 with Replicant.

I’d definifly opt for a smaller phone as well. When I broke my FP1U screen, the FP2 size was my exclusion criterion. However, while I tried to replace my FP1 (because of a spare parts issue), I realized that the FP2 is among the smaller smartphones when dual sim is one important requirement. After a few discussions with friends and colleagues, I got the impression, we - the 4-4.5" fraction - are a minority. So I guess, FP made the right decision when aiming to target the biggest market with fair production being the unique selling point.

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Things are evolving on my side also.

I get annoyed to carry a powerdown brick in my pockets.

A phone which needs to be plugged in once every two days (if not used) and which just shutdown (when not rebooting for itself since update) if used, reveals itself too much attention-requiring for me.

[edit] Using FPOSOS I have 4 days of autonomy, it’s a great improvement.

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I’ve been a happy user of Nokia E72 since 2009. It still works for finding basic info in the net, navigation etc. but some software is not working on Symbian anymore (e.g. skype, soon whatsapp).
Frankly, I love the design of E72, too bad that it doesn’t have similar development as N900 with Neo900!!

One of the main reasons for not getting a new phone is the size of new smartphones with FP2 resembling IMHO much more a small tablet than a pocket-size phone. Mini version of the Fairphone would be great!!

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I also want to advocate a FP mini. Like others, I fully supported the idea of an ethical phone but didn’t pay enough attention to the size, hence I ordered. Now, I realize that a smaller version would be more comfortable.

I hesitated due to the screen size (as well as the cost!) but I have to say that now … I love it. 5" is about perfect, a little big for my hands admitted but nice on my eyes! My FP2 went wrong the other week and for a day or two I went back to an old Moto Defy+ (3.7")… the screen seemed tiny (lower resolution being part of the problem mind), two days later I’d “had” to buy a spare 5" smartphone so as to read emails and webpages.

My partner has a sony Z3 compact, which is a lovely size (and a rather nice “thing” all round) - but there is no way you would fit the modularity of the FP2 into that space envelope. The Z3 Compact is a non maintainable sealed glass brick.

If something kills the fairphone it will be cost, not size. My new “spare” is a motoG which cost me £129; identical size to the FP2, the screen res and memory are smaller than the FP2 (though for £179 I could have matched the FP2’s specs) … and it is, sadly, a pretty good device - runs Android 6, takes SD cards, waterproof to 1m (IP67), highly responsive and bright screen. Lower processing power apparently - but you’d never know.

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+1 for a smaller FP, that fits in my hand

It has become very obvious that you simply want all of us to get a new Fairphone 2

Lots of people would never buy FP2 as it is way too big and therefore for them not practical at all. On the contrary FP1 has a perfect size!

TOTALLY AGREE!! i thought it was me liking more manageable things. I agree that FP1/FP1U size is absolutely perfect, my thumb can go across the screen with no problem and i reach all bits.

I think they should take the FP1U base and upgrade its components as people wish. For instance if the processor can now be better, create an upgrade so we can buy it and install it or send it to them to do so if so we wish… or if th camera can be better, create a better camera component which again, we can purchase and upgrade our phone… i really thought it would be like this for Fairphone!

I am actually super happy with almost everything about my FP1U, except that my battery life requires me to change a new one… but wouldnt it be great to just be able to buy each bit as we need it and this way extending the phone´s core life?

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Yes, exactly! I would never buy such a big phone like FP2, even when my FP1U goes dead …Which would be terrible for Fairphone’s image, then yes, I thought too that we could upgrade by changing/buying new components.

I also can say that I am happy with almost everything about my FP1U …But still waiting for a system upgrade since last year without any news from FF’s side!! For instance, without using my phone a lot at all, I too have to recharge the battery more than once a day, which really is annoying, and sometimes again (I let once repair/replace the motherboard because of the same issue) the phone doesn’t want to charge straight away…

@andype & @pariggi as you can see in this thread your posts were moved to you are not the only ones who don’t like the FP2’s screen size. But your wish for an upgraded FP1 is just not possible, let me explain:

For the FP1 Fairphone simply bought the license to use a chinese’s phone internal and external design. They never had the right to change it, nor was that phone ever designed to be changed.
The FP2 is the first phone designed by Fairphone and the first Phone ever that was designed to be upgraded - although that was never the main reason for the modularity.

When designing the FP2 Fairphone prioritized sustainability and repairability far higher than subjective user-preferences like the screen size.
We had discussions about different FP2 models like a Fairpad (or Fairblet), but until Fairphone becomes a larger player in the game with enough funds it’s simply not economic for them to invent, design and produce different models.

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Thanks paulakreuzer for the explanation, but it’s still not explain why we can’t for example have a new battery when it dies or why we still wait for this long time expected FP1 system upgrade.

It’s still there in the shop, in stock: https://shop.fairphone.com/en/spare-parts/fairphone-1-battery

There’s update about that in the first post of the topic linked below:

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Well my post can’t magically explain everything! :wink: I was just referring to the idea of upgrading FP1 components.

As for the question about the kitkat update please continue in the other topic if today’s update by douwe doesn’t answer it.

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ok, thanks for moving it. am sure we are not the only ones i read in the
past other opinions but its hard to give our opinions when they are taken
as a bad thing and being disqualified.

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I didn’t mean to dismiss your opinion. It’s a valid opinion to want a smaller screen than the FP2 has, but still want a fair/modular/upgradable-smartphone.
I was just stating that the way you suggested - by upgrading the FP1 - is almost impossible, and the the other way discussed in this thread - by designing an FP2 mini - is very unlikely for the next years.

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