Why buy a FP3 rather than a standard 175€ mobile phone?

as someone from a poor family (i grew up in a ‘bijstandsgezin’) this is a pretty shit comment. you gotta have money to save money. the fact that there is no room to save for more expensive, more durable, products makes life more expensive constantly.

so yeah, you are right, it is better to save up for higher quality products than to buy the cheap stuff that falls apart and is often in the end more expensive. but it’s an impossibility that shames a lot of people who are less fortunate.

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True, it can be very rough.

In such situation the question arises: do you need a smartphone? Do you need a new smartphone? Would a (combination of) cheap, non-fair, second hand, less patched/secure smartphone be suffice? Would a feature phone be suffice? The answer is probably: Yes.

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You’re quite right; the less money you have, the more the system is rigged against you. Getting your hands on fair products shouldn’t be a matter of having to spend more money - but it is, and it’s a damn shame.

I agree that it’s very counterproductive and even demeaning to tell people who don’t have the means to get an FP that they should just save their money harder - and it’s even worse to tell them that well, hey, they don’t really need an FP2 anyway, so just get an old clunker or unfair device to tide you over until the money train comes in. It reminds me of something Terry Pratchett wrote in one of the Discworld novels:

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

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I think my fairest phone is a used Galaxy S3 in burgundy a could buy for ~70€. It’s working great with LineageOS. And you can buy a new battery for <10€.

So, yes, I think the fairest phone is a used one and you can buy a great phone for 175€. (Same for me with used business laptops an Linux).

I bought a new FP2 because of the modularity and that I can easily install other OS than Android like Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS and because they try to use fair components. Apart from that I would always try to buy a used mobile phone, laptop etc. for little money.

Just my 2 Cents. :upside_down_face:

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My wife said, the FP3 is too expensive. Then she dropped her Samsung A?2017; the screen cracked, and turned black. Repair costs: at least 100€ (repair shop in town). So she decided to buy a new phone, the 2019 version. So, she paid about 2*250€. If you drop the FP3 and the screen cracks, you order a new one for 89,95€ and fix it yourself. So, my wife said, that I am allowed to buy a FP3 (for Christmas) :slight_smile:

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explaines pretty well who have the word @home :wink:

I think you’re right! I got a used Galaxy S5 for € 80,–, where I installed GApps, because I wanted a handful of apps from PlayStore. But on this phone you find no contacts, phone numbers, messengers or other private stuff. This is found on my second phone, an even older Galaxy S2 (!) for € 50,–, which is gougel-free. Both are happily running LineageOS with no problems. And as soon there’s an OpenOS for my (already ordered) FP3, I will replace the good old Galaxy S2…

Did you try Yalp or Aurora to install your apps from the PlayStore? I used Yalp to install the DB Navigator App.

Er… no! I only knew F-Droid so far. I tried to install the apps (e. g. FlightRadar24) from apk mirror or similar, but they seem to work only if installed via PlayStore. Do they work if installed via Yalp or Aurora?

Don’t know. Just try. :wink:

Hm. Aurora doesn’t accept username and/or password for my Gougel account, and Yalp asks if I want to use a fake account. I have to read some more about these two and decide.
But thanks for the hint, I’ll keep to it!

I had a SGS3. Design flaw in case, and only had one year of software updates. Terrible slow on Android 4.4 already. Baseband is also likely out of date, and it had no LTE.

You need to create an app password (which you can save in a password manager).

Is this the procedure via my gougel-account (need to have acknowledgement by two steps)?

Sorry, but I’m really clueless as for the things about gougel… :roll_eyes:

Yes, it is. The reason for it, is that you have 2FA enabled.

Okay, thank you for your help! I’ll try.

But – if I understand correctly: apps installed by Aurora or Yalp are still “connected” to gougel resp. my account there?

Yes, unless you use the anonymous account. You should use the anonymous account, if you can. It won’t detect any paid apps you have on your account though. However using an anonymous account still leaves behind your fingerprint via browser, IP address, etc.

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Well, so it’s difficult… the (very few, in fact it’s precisely three) apps from PlayStore that I use are paid. Otherwise I happily get along with alternative stuff from F-Droid.

I believe I stay at the status quo: one phone with gougel and no private stuff on it, and the other phone gougel-free with contacs, phone numbers a.s.o., and both with an open OS.

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