To be fair, I think for most people “waterproof” means the phone can be submerged. As in “I am not afraid of dropping it in the bathtub by accident”, not just “I won’t be worried if it starts raining while I am out on a run”.
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This made me chuckle. Mostly waterproof is not waterproof. 
I know what you mean, but the Titanic was ‘mostly waterproof’ - once there’s a gap it always gets in If the phone’s dimensions matched a major brand then we could buy waterproof cases and still have the full ability to take it all apart when needed. Or buy a FP case, if we don’t think it’s needed.
I live in Ireland - our weather is ‘mostly water’ so no matter the time of year, I’ve to put the phone in a small plastic bag to go walking every day with the dog, just in case it rains heavily. Even on a nice day, the phone gets damp from sweat. My wife has a Huawai P30 Pro on her second rugged case. It’s been bounced off everything, and she walks the dog in the morning when it’s always damp out. The cases take the abuse but her phone is in mint condition and it’s 5 years old. My FP4 is 2 and I’m always worried it’ll stop from accumulated moisture at some point even with the IP54 rating.
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Well… A not fully glued phone is not the same as a phone that you can open and change modules,. Shiftphones newest modular phone claims to have IP66. What IP cert has a Huwaei?
IP 68…
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Im sorry but the battery life is absolutely atrocious. It lasts about as long as the nokia c22, which is a 150 euro phone.
To be fair, they’ve completely changed the internal lay-out with every release. I expect that once they figure out the ideal they’ll stop changing battery sizes
IP Rating doesn’t matter if we can buy a waterproof case to put the phone in. I think you’ve maybe missed the point I made in my previous post. If the phones dimensions matched a premium phone we could buy lots of different cases for it, from various suppliers, including waterproof and rugged cases if we wanted one. Then, we could still have the benefits of a phone we can open, and one we can take out in wet environments, if we like, without worrying.
I agree a case would be a good solution and won’t need a new phone if I want it to be waterproof. I already use a case and tempered glas anyways. Might be a good new topic to get some attention to it. but looks like there ist still no waterproof case on the market. I contacted otterbox before, doesn’t look like they plan one for the fp5. The Fairphine case isn’t waterproof and very expensive. All Shiftphones come with a case as standard, but no need for fairphone to do the same. Anyways I still think it’s still not a bad idea to have a ip rating of 66 or higher, as waterproof cases are expensive.
Same like the Shift, there is lineage os for it, I like the custom roms. I wouldn’t buy a fairphone if there was no google free os. I’m using /e/os atm and it works fine for me. But /e/os is still Android 13. With a ungoogled lite version, we’ll always have the latest updates and it was much more costumer friendly to change to Shift OS lite on my old 6mq. I don’t think it is much more effort to have an OS without the google apps.
I never mind more battery time, but I can charge it at home, in the car, nearly everywhere. All depends on our screen time as well I quess. So it’s not a big deal for me. Of course a 5000mAh battery would be nice, but I’m ok with it as it is. Also 4000+ mAh aren’t bad in comparison to other models. Not sure if it consumes to much power. But I like the idea of a new phone having the same battery.
What I dislike the most is the missing 2nd physical SIM slot. I don’t want eSIM and I move a lot between Australia and Germany.
Honestly I’d rather the FP5 be a 1200€ higher end phone rather than a 700€ mid-range phone. When I’m buying for sustainability I’d rather it cost much more, but made to a higher standard so it lasts me longer and I don’t think if I’ll want to upgrade later down the line. Currently I’d rather shell out mulitple paychecks on a samsung galaxy S24 ultra knowing of it’s usefulness and with the market slowing down knowing it’d last me 10 years no worries rather than a FP5 which I feel like I’ll need to update in 4-5 years. Now not everyone is a techgeek like me obsessed with being up-to-date so an FP5 will work for most people honestly. Though I’d like it if they made a higher end version.
It’s the reson I’ll buy a framework laptop as my next laptop. Although they don’t have the same goal as fairphone I’d rather shell out much more for a laptop I know I’ll be able to update rather than a phone I’m not certain about surviving in the market.
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