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Redefining longevity: Android 9 now available for Fairphone 2

Well, I don’t think the average FP2 user should. Would be different for someone in some high security business, but I doubt they would, or can, use an FP2 with Android 7 anyway.
Can’t remember someone on this forum reporting issues because of Android 7 having vulnerabilities during the past year, and I think we can take the risk for some more days or weeks.

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I have the feeling somebody complained recently that his banking app did not work because of using Android 7 so the news could impact much more people than just the ones looking for security.

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My speaker is broken and no top module (5mp) is available for purchase in the shop and FP announced the other week that the bottom module will be withdraw from sale soon (its not possible to order it anyway).
Soo, one has to wonder whats the point on upgrading Android when the phones starts to deteriorate?

Personally I find that a really strange question. Are you saying people should not solve problems when other potential problems remain unsolved?

Sure, if a part of the phone breaks that cannot be replaced, you can’t use it any longer.
But what if there is no hardware defect but you are forced to stop using your still functioning phone because a) your company requires a patchlevel no older than 1 year or b) apps important to you no longer run on Android 7?

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There are still benefits. All products deteriorate, even people. Yet cars still get updated software, and people like me of some 73 years still learn. My body may be deteriorating at a notable rate but I keep my mind as up to date as possible. It, my brain is still usefull and what better way to use my body that to have an improved brain.

Of course with any finite system there is only so much more info that can be stored and some programmes require too much memory, but cognitive ability takes up less space.

So as I age I remember less and calculate more. If the apps on the FP2 are not overloading the memory or cpu then updating the logic could be very useful

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Just copied a link from another post which details the OS update procedure, which I found very interesting.

“let’s do a quick recap of how Android makes it to your smartphone. First, Google releases builds of AOSP (the Android Open Source Project) to everyone. This doesn’t run on a phone yet, though. First, your SoC (System on a Chip) manufacturer (usually Qualcomm) has to get hold of it and customize Android for a particular SoC, adding drivers and other hardware support. Then, that build goes to your phone manufacturer (Fairphone, in this case) which adds support for the rest of the hardware—things like cameras, the display, and any other accessories—along with built-in apps and any custom Android skin work that the company wants to do.”

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I just saying that updating the software should go hand in hand with the possibility to also replace broken parts off the phone, not stop making them…

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There’s has to be an economic limit to having a new batch of modules made and of course there are a number of modules, sure it would seem useful but then resources are limited and the new FP3 takes the lions share of the funding ~ it really couldn’t be any different.

The notion must be that there are enough FP2 phones that still have years of usability that will not require repairs and new modules and for those owners updated software is an option to have enhanced use of the phone.

There is the option of buying spares from disused phones, I’ve seen a number of FP2s being sold here and mentions of Ebay as a source

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Awesome :slight_smile:

I wonder if the firmware modem files were updated respect to the last Android7 image, and if we could generate a new modem.zip to update the phones running LineageOS :wink:

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And it its not so nice coming to the hospital for a hip replacement greeted with “no they stopped making those, so, you can get a wheelchair instead!”

Well, there are countries, where you are greeted with: “Sorry, you are too old, you won’t get a new hip anymore.”
Your comparison seems a bit (very) far fetched nevertheless. Or do you compare yourself to a smartphone?

I didnt! amoun did…

Believe me I’ll be taking the wheelchair so not a good analogy :slight_smile:

I want something reliable that I can repair myself

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But if you need the chair to sit in, how do repair it?

Answer: get a second chair … just like people getting a second FP2 so they can use its parts to fix the first one. :smiley:

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No, the analogy is on you.

That strange comparison makes it look like a person is no longer “of use” when sitting in a wheelchair instead of getting a replacement hip; as the phone isn’t working any longer, when the bottom module is missing. And a simple workaround for all of its functions is hard to come by.

@amoun simply stated, that updating the brain (OS) is worth it, even if parts of the body fail.
So, quite the contrary to the wheelchair argument.
And @amouns statement to take the chair just proves it.

Sitting on the floor while doing the repairs, maybe as well.
When I broke my display (three times really; clumsy me), I didn’t get me a spare phone, but went along for a while without one. Unbelievable as it might seem, but it worked. :wink:
Though I have to admit, that I am not dependent of the phone business wise or socially. Therfore it’s clearly not the way for everyone.

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Hi @oli.sax,

We don’t have any updates on the modem, so the 19.11.2 version is still the latest. It’s unlikely that the modem files will ever change again on FP2. We have some changes in the proprietary blobs only, and we keep them updated with every (source) release.

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We have a first confirmed install of Android 9 … although after a bumpy road earlier today:

Additional information from my side: The final release candidate 21.01.0-rel.1 for the beta testers weighed around 1 GB (and this official release should be no different from it), so indeed make sure you have a good and stable connection when the update is offered to you and you start the download.

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Haha, updating went fine here yesterday too. Already opened two bug reports. One on the issue wrt. decrypting I mentioned earlier. The other one is (sadly) a more generic observation: it’s less stable. With Android 7 I had a reboot roughly once a day, usually at night when it’s on its charger. With Android 9 I get reboots every few hours, even when left completely unattended and not plugged in… I would have blamed the usual “just after an upgrade your power consumption goes up” hiccup of Android upgrades, but today it’s been cool and holding out all day on a full charge. Still: reboots.

Massive thanks and congrats to the whole of the Fairphone team and community for this update - I can’t imagine the number of hours that have gone I to making this happen. Been running my FP2 for over 5 years which always seems like such a short amount of time in the bigger picture, and yet apparently a lifetime in the world of technology.

Looking forward to playing. Here’s a shot to confirm it (hope there’s no confidential data there, ha):

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Thank you for your answer, karsten :slight_smile:

Honestly it’s not clear for me what are the “proprietary blobs” , I was guessing it’s included in the modem.zip file (*) but after reading your message it seems not :wink:
However you answered my question, no update on the baseband version 4437.1-FP2-0-08 to be expected in the future.

Best regards,
Olivier

(*) modem.zip contains the following firmware:
emmc_appsboot.mbn NON-HLOS.bin rpm.mbn sbl1.mbn sdi.mbn splash.img tz.mbn