Purism unveils plans to build Librem 5, the world's first open smartphone ecosystem

FP could run PureOS on it’s phone, at some point in time when it’s developed…
Maybe the FP-organization can help with development of the OS. I’m well aware that the Librem people would have to contribute most of the work to the OS, but maybe FP could share some expericence there or even help developing, where possible. On the long run I would find it desirable to have PureOS running as the main OS on FP, even tough I know that Android is very popular even for Fairphone users.

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Not gonna happen. PureOS is just that, pure in the meaning of libre software. The Fairphone 2 relies heavily on BLOBs (i.e. non-free software pieces that make hardware work, like camera, wifi, radio, and so on).
Purism make devices that are built from the ground up for freedom. Not the case of Fairphone (their purpose is another type of fairness)

That’s why I bought both, Fairphone 2 and Librem 5. I couldn’t have both fair project (one technological, other human) merged, but I will support them for the future.

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Maybe not the case with FP2, but why not with FP3 or FP4?
I know it’s hard to even build a fair phone without the rest of what Librem 5 is about, but I don’t think it’s wrong to think about how to achieve the other goal as well for the long term.

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I recommend you to read @Douwe reply above:

Each one “picks their battles”. Picking all battles at the same (early) time harms projects more that benefits them —adding complexity, mixing solutions, generating insustainable expectations. IMHO, we had a clear example with the FP2: modularity —designed primarily for repairability— made some people expect a huge quantity of upgradability options quickly, while having an Open OS made other people expect libre software purism. We all see continuously people here in the forum ranting about stuff Fairphone doesn’t have as primary goals.

Experience have taught us to build solid things with time and patience —two things that the actual “liquid society” effectively loses everyday. Different goals can be achieved by different paths. Fairphone and Purism (nor any other entity doing good) cannot generate hype for convergent, hypothetical ideas so far in time.

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very well written @Roboe! You have summarized and answered many misunderstandings in only a few words - it almost should be used in the welcome to the forum post :grinning:

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An update. This is a Librem 5 hardware report, explaining different things. Quite interesting:

https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-2018-09-hardware-report/

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Specs have been published:

  • 5.7" IPS TFT screen @ 720x1440
  • i.MX8M Quad-core up to 1.5GHz
  • 3GB RAM
  • 32GB eMMC internal storage + microSD expansion
  • 802.11abgn 2.4GHz / 5GHz + Bluetooth 4
  • Gemalto PLS8 3G/4G modem with one SIM
  • Teseo LIF3 GNSS GPS
  • 8MP front camera
  • 13MP rear camera
  • USB Type-C port
  • User-replaceable 3,500 mAh
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My take is, it is a pretty cool phone. Bit expensive, but a unique device given the specs plus the killswitches and the fact it is fully powered by FOSS Linux. Which is a dream come true.

3.5 mAh user replacable hardware. Cameras are probably OKish, USB-C 3 + PD is nice, 3.5 mm still remaining is nice, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz for compatibility is decent. Bluetooth 4 I’m not sure about. Why no 5? Which exact version, which firmware? LE? Storage is the same as Fairphone 2 which is like what 5 years younger? No matter, you can expand it with microSD. 3 GB RAM is minimum for a new smartphone IMO. Screen is good enough for my standards. Rest is all expected (no NFC either! And of course it isn’t a fair phone).

Waiting for it… :star_struck:

anbox is already on the Debian repos. Although you need to get the Android image from anywhere else (that’s the reason why it’s on contrib and not on main) and there’s no official arm64 build yet, I tested it on my laptop and looks quite promising as an AOSP-compatibility layer.

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I guess just a typo…should be 3,5Ah or 3500mAh…
No full HD display…not of any interest for me after owning my FP2.
Is this single-SIM…boring…
Although not so important, almost equal camera specs - five years after FP2??

Doesn’t look close to a replacement for my FP2. But anyway nice approach considering FOSS and hopefully nevertheless successful to get the ball rolling just as Fairphone did.

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Aye it is a typo. Supposedly the battery makes the phone last 1,5 longer than Fairphone’s 2400 mAh.

Screen, I suppose with Widevine and Netflix (and Prime) you wouldn’t be able to enjoy it anyway if you remove GApps or root your phone. For photos (and non DRM videos), yes it’d work.

Keep in mind the original camera in FP2 wasn’t of good quality. There was an upgraded model in when was it, 2017? MP doesn’t say much anyway.

I wish them well, a FOSS smartphone with hardware killswitches is something I hope to see doing well. I’m waiting to see what FP3 has for offer regardless. :slight_smile:

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Well yes I already mean the upgraded version with 12MP which these days is not so competitive anymore (looking at e.g. Huawei’s flagship).

Obviously megapixel does say much to the majority of users jumping from one phone to the next often specifically looking at the MP among few other hard facts such as memory/storage, battery/screen size and stuff.
Little known facts about sensor type, dpi, aperture, lens etc. require more in-depth knowledge which often lacks.
So it’s the usual sales game - the more the better.

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Good news is Purism is shipping the Librem 5 at the end of this month (hence end of Q3).

Bad news is they’re still improving the design. There are different batches which are going to have different improvements. The initial batch will have flaws. See this post for details

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Here are some pictures. The front looks like a Fairphone 2 lol https://social.librem.one/@purism/102905810912940662

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just saying :wink:
Notification LED Yes (RGB LED with PWM control per color)

An Interview With Zlatan Todoric, Open-Source Developer & Former Purism CTO

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Breaking Ground – Purism by Nicole Faerber, Purism CTO

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