The question is also whether other people would want to flash anonymously posted ROMs. I personally wouldn’t unless there are means to verify that the ROM is indeed built from the official source and it has not been tempered with. Otherwise malicious parties could spread malware very easily.
@tphysm yes, this is answering all my questions. Thanks!
@jftr Very true, indeed. Then i think people have to learn to compile the code by themselves. Maybe with a better tutorial, though i do not know where the difficulties lay, besides maybe installing linux
Define a) “personal data”, b) “share a build anonymously”, oh and c) integrity
a) There are some scripts that add the username/host/timezone/dates to the build (“default.prop”)
b) Depends, eh?
c) Complicated to do, but possible if you set it up correctly and if supported a bit by FP.
Data which might identify me clearly. Clearly enough to get sued by the rightsholders.
Upload it via VPN to an OCH (mega,zippy,etc…)…
No manipulations, changes of the official source code.
I guess that’s a major problem. While it started to sound very interesting, and publishing fposos is indeed a cool idea, IMHO, all that fuss about legalese for the blobs kills this idea, nobody will look for other ROMs, like cm or omnirom or whatever. This leads to the situation you described above, people turn to Samsung et al, even though their hacker friendliness is not that great either… But look at e.g. the Samsung S3, many people still are using it, because it still gets an official cm, for example. So, in terms of sustainability, it’s not that bad either…
Are you saying you don’t need blobs to get CM on Samsung devices? I don’t know whether this is true but have a hard time believing it.
What I have seen so far with (almost?) all devices that get CM is: Binaries are copied from the device itself and then used to build CM. There is no “legalese” which you have to agree to. However, this does not make it better for you. It probably just means that what you do is not covered legally. Having this “legalese” is actually an improvement in my understanding because we get the blobs without having to hunt for them first and we may officially use them.
In most other cases we don’t have this freedom but people are just grabbing and distributing the blobs without asking whether they are allowed to do so. If you think Samsung devices give you enough freedom to distribute CM for their devices, then you can also go forward and distribute builds for Fairphone 2. The only thing stopping you is your conscience which apparently doesn’t stop you in case of Samsung devices
No, “of course” cm has to use binary blobs, they way you describe it. But for other devices there is no legalese, so nobody is hindering you putting the blobs on cm. The FP blobs explicitly are forbidden to be distributed that way in a room not provided by Fairphone so, we would need a bare cm where we could install the blobs afterwards. There’s a lengthy discussion wether that’s possible at all, and probably it isn’t. So no ROM not provided by Fairphone, except for something like replicant. But then lots of things probably won’t work…
And that’s exactly my point: This is just not true. When you buy another device (say from Samsung), you implicitly agree to their terms. The thing is, nobody reads those terms, but I’m 99.9% sure they include a clause prohibiting you from extracting the binaries and distributing them to other people. Developers just don’t care.
The difference with Fairphone is that they explicitly allow you to get the binaries and even present them to you. The caveat is that they also shove the terms under which you may use them up your face and that makes people aware of them and … voila, their consciousness kicks in.
Well, I don’t follow you 100%. For me, it’s a grey area. You are normally and also explicitely hindered to reverse engineer the software or otherwise modify it. There’s no writing (with the samsung I had) to prohibit this propagation. Not up to now. Samsung especially goes at great lengths to hinder you unlocking the bootloader, with Knox and Flash counters and all that, but they don’t follow up on the simple copying for all those official and inofficial CMs, OmniROMS, SlimRoms and what else on third party ROMs. There’s virtually no manufacturer I know of that went against this praxis (except for Google and it’s (in)famous action with gapps, so these are not distributed with CM and the likes)
Do you think Fairphone would?
Good question. Qualcomm would, I guess. But Fairphone might be forced to, even if they don’t want to… At least they wrote it down explicitly, so you are supposed to expect it
I do not understand:
a) Who wrote that licence (clearly not a lawyer)
b) The licence (see above)
c) What the difference between a file everybody can download and sharing the same file in a ROM is.
It’s totally okay to put in a statement “do not decompile our secret sauce”, but if you do so and offer it as a download for everybody, you can also just use it in a ROM.
I think this was written by FP or the ODM, but not by Qualcomm.
I’d say this one was written by lawyers…
And they do explicitly forbid the sharing of the blobs as long as it’s not Fairphone distributing them
The decompile stuff just comes on top, but this you get with other devices also.
I did not check the license lately, but it is well possible that this license is Fairphone’s, whether written by them or dictated by the software owner behind them, I don’t know. In the end, it doesn’t matter for us…
The EULAs looks like copy and pasted together, maybe it was Google Anyway, all I want to say that it does not make a lot of sense. It looks like it was copy and pasted together from different EULAs. It would be nice if FP could explain who wrote the EULA.
Also it’s from the Google SDK, it has nothing to with bin blobs from companies that build cameras or gps receivers. They couldn’t care less.
Google SDK Terms
3.4 Use, reproduction and distribution of components of the SDK licensed under an open source software license are governed solely by the terms of that open source software license and not this License Agreement.
3.4 You agree that you will not take any actions that may cause or result in the fragmentation of Android, including but not limited to distributing, participating in the creation of, or promoting in any way a software development kit derived from the SDK.
3.4 You may not use the SDK for any purpose not expressly permitted by the License Agreement. Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you may not: (a) copy (except for backup purposes), modify, adapt, redistribute, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works of the SDK or any part of the SDK; or (b) load any part of the SDK onto a mobile handset or any other hardware device except a personal computer, combine any part of the SDK with other software, or distribute any software or device incorporating a part of the SDK.
FP2 Binary Blobs Download Page, Special License Agreement, April 2016
3. You are allowed to only use the Software in a manner that complies with all applicable laws in the jurisdiction in which you use the Software, including, but not limited to, applicable restrictions concerning copyright, other intellectual property rights and anti-fragmentation requirements. You have the duty to check if you need separate licenses to use the Software and obtain them. You must not take any actions that may result in the fragmentation of Android.
I was just about to order a Fairphone and discovered both the License Aggrement for the binary blobs and this thread afterwards. I wonder if it is even legal to force a customer to aggree to license that claims to make the seller able to force you to delete the drivers on your phone and thus basically make it unusable after it has become your property.
Really bad thing, basically a curse…
This Agreement applies from the first date you download the Software and
you may terminate it at any time by permanently destroying, the
Software, all backup copies, and all related materials. This Agreement
can be terminated in writing by Fairphone, at any time, without prior
notice. Upon termination, you must destroy the Software, all backup
copies, and all related material.
I guess it just a standard text that Google sends around for Android. But I never got an official answer on this. I’m not sure if this text was even ever read by a lawyer. Fun fact: code.fairphone is not even including the google services, it’s just plain Android. So they protect the “IP” of the OEMs and not so much Google.
I read through the entire thread but still not sure if I get this right:
Is this special license term I cited above only for installing Fairphone OS myself and I could thereby order a Fairphone and would not be “bound” to this term as long as I do not switch to Fairphone OS (but remove Google Services manually?)? As, to me it means Fairphone (respectively the OEM behind) can permanently disable my 500€ phone whenever they want by disallowing me to use those, sadly neccessary, binary blobs.
Did you ever read EULAs from different manufacturers? Everybody reserves the right to withdraw the license. What they won’t do, because it would render the product useless and land them in court, I could imagine. Same thing by the way if you buy DRM protected media. Here this happens all the time
I usually don’t buy any DRM protected media, so I never got in touch with such licenses I guess.
I think they definitely would withdraw the license, else there would be no reason why they should add this paragraph to the license.
So this license is the same when I just buy a Fairphone but don’t change to Fairphone OS?
And really, how could I ever sue them if what they did is actually covered by a EULA i aggreed to. Not mentioning I might not be able to cover the financial risk of sueing a big company in another country…
I would think that the license is in place, regardless of what (Fairphone provided) OS you have on your phone. But IANAL.
I don’t think they are planning to withdraw that license, as this template is in place in lots of comparable EULAs. They might get a too big a backlash doing this.
And yes, on person probably would not be able to sufficiently sue them, but then, many would be able (think Verbraucherschutz in Germany)…
But still, I think this is very hypothetical, and yes, I don’t like that EULA not at all and maybe not fitting for a product of a company called “FairPhone”… But who knows what happened in the background to be able to use that particular hardware and software(-blobs)