FP Security Updates need to be more frequent

That’s more like it, Eva is the CEO, Noud is CFO, Miquel the head of product management for example.

Edit: I’m still undecided if I find the direction this topic is taking funny, silly or just a huge waste of time :laughing:

Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer to have Faiphone deliver monthly updates at the beginning of each month as well (and from beta testing it is clear they do have access to the patches in advance), but some of the things going on in this topic are just wild speculations and I seriously ask myself what those are going to change/improve.
And yes, some of this things written to “defend” Fairphone I find rather funny/silly/waste of time, too :stuck_out_tongue:
Sometimes it’s good to vent and I don’t think it always needs a response.


What do you mean with that sentence? What company are you talking about?

As you said, venting is healthy, and making wild speculations is humanity’s favorite hobby anyway… :grin:

And speaking of speculations: Concerning the team mugshots, as far as I have (mis)understood, development is currently outsourced, so those are not likely to be the devs themselves, more likely all the Fairphone employees handling technical stuff (that ranges from hardware design, spare parts stock management, to website management).

Wild guess of course, but I think @AvidAlbatross meant the company Fairphone has subcontracted the software development to. (I would agree BTW, as they clearly aren’t up to the task.)


Personally I’m writing here in the hopes that someone at Fairphone will read our posts and decide to improve the updating process.

Whether or not that will happen, well that is anyone’s guess.

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And that’s where I’d say this is just a huge waste of everyone’s time.
Fact is, Faiphone employees don’t follow what’s going on here on the forum on a level that many people wish for. And when asked directly, Fairphone employees state that people should contact them via support.
And basically every month or two we get a heated debate in some random topic that goes over the same old arguments again and again.


I want to believe. I have to believe.


Rae is currently showing as “formerFP.Com.Manager” for me. I would assume we’re not gonna get another update on the situation from her?

A few other Fairphone employees have similar names. Is Fairphone downsizing or something?

I think Fairphone is a healthy company, where as in all companies employees are coming and going.


If you look at the last seen dates, most of those people have probably left some time ago, no idea why the accounts still belong to the employee group :man_shrugging:

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Yeah I find it strange that they would essentially delete the entire account, instead of just removing it from the employee group.

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Accounts get anonymized, that’s the standard procedure if people want to get deleted.

Some people might not want to be tied to their former employers community, I just find it strange that they don’t get removed from the group …


Yeah, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen an employee’s account name get changed to ‘spam’ for no apparent reason. Typically, the accounts get a new password and access is revoked.

Anonymizing the accounts will make past messages by the user look weird. formerFP.Com.Manager doesn’t really scream official Fairphone business to me.

But I guess we’ll see when/if Android 12 releases.

anon is the default name that Discourse gives an account afaict. and why would they remove it from the employee group? it still likely reflects a company statement. You’d really rather they delete their past company statements? or make company statements look like any other user post?

it goes the other way, if they simply renamed/passed it onto another employee then some may mistake their new writings for those of the past author or vice versa.


I just found the change baffling, that’s all. I expected an update from Rae about the security update situation Soon ™ as we are approaching 3 months again and I suppose I expected FP to keep the account name as rae and just delete the photo of her. It’s not like most companies change/remove the names of whoever wrote blog posts just because the said person quit.

Well, I’m new(-ish) here and don’t really know who “Rae” actually was (“we hardly knew you”, as they say…), but in case she was some kind of official company spokesperson, she should had used an official, non-individual company account for posting such stuff.
Which doesn’t preclude also having and using a personal account, for personal posts. It’s the not very subtle difference between “I say”, and “Fairphone says”.
Just saying.

Just FYI (news about security updates on the end of the post):

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We are now 2 months behind again. Does anyone have any info on when we could get another security patch?

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Still wondering about the update policy.

I might’ve been naive but I thought a sustainable phone would include a reliable update scheme where I wouldn’t have to wonder if and when an update might arrive. I expect about 10 of 12 updates per year and let’s say 7 of those 10 arriving before the next update gets released.

In addition the standard OS (Fairphone OS) does not give the impression og being cared for very thoroughly. Camera app has a shutter lag between 4 and 5 seconds in the dark (didn’t expect that in 2022), the gallery isn’t accessible from the camera app if it’s not the Google gallery, a Files app that can’t be uninstalled or disabled but forgets its settings (sorting) every time, hotspot no longer 5G. List might be continued.
Seems to me that the sustainable part of the phone mostly is reduced to hardware / production and the OS including updates might anyway be neglected since most users will unlock the phone and install their own OS or love to fiddle with it since it’s a so very special phone?? OK, my fault that I just want to configure a phone once and then simply want to use it.

Could possibly live with either the update policy or the OS but both together don’t make this phone sustainable for me- I definitively don’t want to have it like this for the next 5 years.

(Coming from a Nokia 2.3, so really not used to a luxurious phone- but Android one without bloatware and 3 years update promise kept)
(The work done by Fairphone for a fairer production is still impressive, all honor to them for this effort and with this work changing the attitude of other vendors, too)


Best is to ask FP and #contactsupport, please do share their response :slight_smile: The updates were quite predictable before the development of Android 12 started. That’s why I sometimes posted the update sooner than FP. I wasn’t refreshing on a daily basis, I noticed a pattern. But it could also be just random of course. In any case, they usually lag behind one monthly update, which usually is released on the first or second Friday of the month. But this comes with a disclaimer that this is not official. Hopefully the updates will be monthly again from now on.

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