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/e/ Pie is out for FP2

I have some questions about /e/ on FP2:

  1. Is it as easy/“idiotproof” to install as on the FP3?
  2. Is it as good running as on the FP3? (Are there any big problems?)
  3. What is the current Android Security Patch Level?
  4. How often does it getting an update?

I’d say that at the moment it’s even a bit easier to install it on FP2 than on FP3 (e.g. bootloader is always unlocked, installing TWRP cannot break anything etc.).
This may change when there’s a working easy installer for FP3

I’ve been running it for more than one year and for me it seems to run as good as on FP3 (for what I’ve read for FP3 so far).

May 05, 2020

Irregular. But at least 1 update per month so far.

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Volker hat dir ja schon gut geantwortet.
Für die Installation will ich noch anmerken, dass bald ein Installationsprogramm verfügbar sein wird. Es ist gerade in der Testphase für Samsung-Geräte.

That’s optimistic.

Refitting the easy installer to support other devices was delegated to the community by the /e/ team, and it’s not an easy task because how to install /e/ is different for different devices (see e.g. the different /e/ install instructions for Fairphone 2 and Fairphone 3).

Thanks to @Ingo there’s progress on the Fairphone 3.
Who knows if/when the Fairphone 2 will be supported, I think we should not raise expectations unnecessarily here :wink: .

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Ah sorry, I wasn’t aware of that.
Can I help something there? Or you with your knowledge?


While I understand the drive towards a GUI, I personally am very much oldschool (and not a developer) and strongly in favour of providing correct and foolproof manual installation instructions in connection with empowering people to be able to follow them.
Makes one’s own device much less of a “block box” in the process.

Of course many people don’t want to be empowered in this fashion, they just want to press some buttons and then wait for the magic to happen, so the GUI approach is valid and commendable, and I at least won’t bitch against it on every occasion :slight_smile: .

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Hello, I’m very happy to use LineageOS on different devices since few years, now on FP2 and perhaps soon on FP3. My question is. Is there somewhere a comparaison between LineageOS and /e/ ?
Fairphone is now linked to the /e/foundation… So what’s better or different between LineageOS and /e/ in the user experience…

In short:

/e/ is basically LineageOS tweaked for more privacy and with a selection of pre-installed Apps which should make it seamlessly usable by about anybody.

Lets boldly and simply say you could give a phone running /e/ to your parents or grandparents with much less hassle afterwards than you would have if you gave them one with LineageOS.

In halfway short:

/e/ take LineageOS as a base, throw out as much Google stuff as they can still find to improve privacy (which is not the top priority of LineageOS), and then add

  • Bliss, an iOS-like launcher (of course you can install a different one if you don’t like it)

  • microG, which uses Open Source software to mimic many Google services and components, so many (but by far not all) Google-dependent Apps can happily work without Google

  • Apps which are intended to make the system appealing to and seamlessly usable by the average smartphone user (prime examples: Magic Earth as a reasonably straightforward and usable Google Maps replacement, and an easy-to-use App installer which has many cost-free and wide-spread Google Play Store Apps to avoid death by “App gap”, along with F-Droid’s Open Source App collection for the users who like these better).

  • an Open Source based syncing service resembling the Google cloud, with the possibility for you to self-host it.

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thx for your answer @AnotherElk

I thought LineageOS was Google-free. So there is still some Google stuff inside???

Yes, I use it and it’s sehr praktisch!

Nextcloud fork indeed. I prefere to use my own and not the one of /e/.
But is there a full backup possibility - like in android with Google (under configuration/system/advanced options/backup) ?

LineageOS is based on AOSP, the Android Open Source Project done by Google on which all Android OSes are based, and which at least does not contain many of the Google Apps and services the average Android user has come to depend on, but there’s still some basic stuff.

The LineageOS developers improve a few things compared to AOSP, but they never claim LineageOS to be Google-free, as far as I know.

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I didn’t realise you could change the launcher! Thanks for that. For anyone else reading this, OpenLauncher is in the /e/ app store, or F-droid officially, and is pretty much identical to Trebuchet (the LOS launcher). Once installed, open and select always use as home screen. Easy.

I just wanted to drop here that I recently installed /e/OS in my FP2 and that I am super happy with it. Everything is quite ready to work easily and with the “safety” of privacy. I’ll probably be supporting the /e/ foundation because I think they are doing a great job towards privacy.

All in all, in the end the best way to go would be a new operating system, like Plasma Mobile, Postmarket OS or UBPorts, but for the moment some important apps would be missing for me so I guess my hands are tied for the moment. Therefore /e/OS is a great option.

Regards!!

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Hi! Beautiful! Thank you for the evaluation!
Can you give a link to a good step by step tutorial how to flash /e/ on the FP2, Fairphone Open on it?
That 'ld be great!
Greetings!

I guess, the instructions on the /e/ homepage should do it, if your English is good enough:


There they link to these setup-instructions for adb and fastboot as well.

And maybe this starting page is linking to other useful infos as well:

Plus:
Read the instructions first, before you can do any harm to the phone.
And if you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask. There will be some people here, that can help you for sure. :grinning:

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Until now and for many years I am using FP Open OS. However, since some problems have not been solved yet, I am considering switching to /e/, which seems to cover my needs for privacy and also seems to work and support more applications than Open OS (which lacks compatibility with quite some apps that need GApps).
I read very well the installation instructions of /e/. With the installation the internal storage is cleared completely, so it will be necessary to reinstall all apps including all connected files. How can I do this as safely as possible?

Perhaps with OandBackupX or Titanium Backup (both need root).
Or with the TWRP backup, but I couldn’t make this one work correctely.

Cheers,

I am happy with Lineage/microG myself, but next week I will install a FP2 for somebody who has no time for bugs and trying out things. I don’t know /e/ yet. Two criteria would be the DB Navigator app and the IngDiba banking app. Are those available with /e/ OS?

Nice to hear that, my FP2 is slowing day by day. I hope that this kind of mod is quite fast, what are the impressions compared to FP Open?

/e/ is still beta currently.
This didn’t really show until only recently, when they went on a UI ego trip which resulted in the following chain of events …

So … still teething problems, but apart from that unfortunate episode /e/ works rather well overall, I currently use it on a Fairphone 2 and a Fairphone 3 … I somehow dodged installing those troublesome updates, luckily.

No bugs or trying out things is a tough ask in the whole Android realm, even with stock OSes. If you yourself are happy with LineageOS/microG on the Fairphone 2, why not just stick with that.

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How about those two apps? If they are available with /e/, I will install /e/ on my own FP2, but for the other one, I’d rather not take the beta state.
And thank you for your detailed answer!