Closed Poll: Future Fairphone OS Development

It still misses essential apps for many, for example good Offline Maps,
WhatsApp (i hate them for not providing and API like Telegram does!) and
more. For, local transport with DB Navigator and Mobile Tickets is one
of the thinks i would miss.

I guess that’s a chicken and egg problem. More users from markets where these apps are getting used the more likely it is that they are getting build for the platform. Mozilla’s disadvantage here is clearly a monetarian one. They can’t afford to pay app developers to pay shit loads to get these apps into “their” eco system like the other big ones are doing it.

The most important thing is really to have open drivers for all components. This would make it a lot easier to switch to whatever OS the owner wishes. As for the stock OS, I would prefer Replicant OS, as this is 100% open source. It is a fork of CyanogenMod (which in turn is a fork of Android), so android apps would be compatible. The stock app “store” should be F-droid, which is exclusively open source apps. Practical apps to be preinstalled on shipment could be OsmAnd (open street maps), VLC media player and depending on time of production, LibreOffice will probably release android versions in the near future.

The argument that using Google’s Android is the safest bet is not very good. A truly community driven open source project (which Android is not), is much safer, because they will not discontinue support for a device based on whether it’s profitable.

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i would love ubuntu as the OS. i hate google!! unfortunately there is no phone yet with ubuntu running, as far as i know canonical wants to release one at the end of this year. it will be a difficult decision for me whether to get a fairphone or one running ubuntu, but im tending to getting any phone running ubuntu rather than even the best phone (FP2 :smile: ) running android.

Whenever Ubuntu will be available for Fairphones I will switch to it.

Hi everyone, first post here.

My 5yo (smart)phone has just died, and in the process of looking for a decent replacement that would both have 4G and be running Firefox OS —nothing like this is yet for sale in France where I live— I stumbled across this project.
Didn’t know it existed, I couldn’t care less about phone hardware :slight_smile:

Now I’m set on using a used dumbphone till FP2 is out no matter the OS, to me it’s just the right thing to do right now. BUT if this future product ran Firefox OS that would make it perfect to me. If it’s really too much of a step, a good tutorial on how to safely install it oneself would be fine by me.

I care about hardware well enough before I have the need to acquire some, no more no less, then I learn to be happy with what I’ve bought, because I should.
Anything I purchase, I do some homework on before coughing up the cash so I don’t regret anything about it (or as little as could be), and with hopes it’ll last as long as possible. Same for software, I learn what I need to learn to use something so it does it the way I like it. I learnt to install and maintain an Archlinux system, I suppose I could dive in the process of installing a phone’s OS if it can be done relatively simply too.
But then again if I could avoid that altogether that would save me (possibly) a lot of time I’d rather spend playing music or reading or sleeping.

I want to not use Android because I think Google is way, way too fat a company already. Remember how everything is owned and done by one business in Wall-E, that movie about Earth people who trashed the planet so bad they had to leave it. Well to me Google could well be that. They’re efficient, I don’t believe they’re altogether evil (some friends think I’m wrong here…), but I’m very, very uncomfortable on how reliant on them we already are. Web browsing, Youtube, maps, telephone… What’s next, breathing ? Well they did try seeing

I like to do things the way I like them, not the way everybody likes. If my way is everybody’s, good. I like breathing, so do you, breathing is open to everybody, everybody’s happy with it. Same for using the alphabet, no patent here.
If my way is not everybody’s, I do what I have to do, and given I stick to my principles and I have something to say about it, sometimes it appeals to people. I’ve converted plenty of non-computer-savvy people to using Linux, they couldn’t be happier. These people in turn converted a few others… My point is, if something makes sense, people will come to it.
That’s why I strongly believe that using an open phone OS should not scare us away, it should make us proud we could be the ones that really helped it take off.

When I started using Linux I had dependency problems, installing wifi drivers was a pain and to have my screen display its full resolution involved my learning some weird syntax in some weird config files. But it did what I wanted to eventually. Today I’m using Steam to play recent video games in effing Linux ; to the user I was in the beginning this is tantamount to walking on the moon. A user base has to start somewhere, and my experience proved it to me that you can be part of a something that grows into something big enough for it to do even what you didn’t even hope it could ever do.

Fairphone makes sense to me, and using an OS that’s
1/ not from Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook
2/ open
makes sense to me. Both in the same machine would just make things right to me.
Thank you for hearing me out.

tl;dr:
Provide geeks an easy guide to installing Firefox OS on an FP2 shipped with Android, everybody’s happy.

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Hi, I pretty much share your opinions.

Welcome to the forum, why don’t you introduce yourself? :slight_smile:

If you are interested in FFOS for FP1 you should visit this page. It deals with the current device (FP1), but maybe you can still provide support.

Cheers Stefan

Hi Stefan,
Thanks for that :smile:
Will do the introduction thing.

About FFOS in FP1, I’m afraid I can’t be of much help, I’m not a dev at all, and I don’t own the phone… But I’ve bookmarked your link, I may come back to it once I own the FP2, if FFOS is not a priority on that one either I might get involved. I’m sorry about the selfishness that this represents, but I would do this only if I am directly concerned —I work quite a bit and I’d really rather spend my free time with friends and playing the guitar than learning the tech to fiddle with phones OSs… Sounds interesting and fun, but very time consuming too :confounded:

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Yes, it is time consuming and I understand your concerns. It’s always a big threshold for me to overcome before sitting down and spending another evening learning more about this stuff…

To my opinion Fairphone should focus on its primary goal: enriching the market with a fair produced smartphone for everyone. And the next goal should be to increase this success - to make it popular to own a fair produced smartphone. I am afraid, this cannot be achieved if such a phone operates with an hardly known OS. There are a lot of people you don’t stick too much to a specific smartphone model or company but who “love” their apps or even feel to depend on them (e. g. Whatsapp).

But what about using an “open-sourced” and “de-googled” Android OS? This could probably a good way to come to a compromise, couldn’ it?

(By the way, I wonder if there are any attempts to build an OS that is capable of Android apps without being Android.)

Kristof

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https://sailfishos.org/ does

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… and it has already been subject to the discussion in this thread.
Thank you for your hint to the Sailfish website.

Given that Sailfish works fine, I would prefer such a solution. I think that for many people it would be a smaller step to change to a Smartphone that has an Android-like and Android-capaple OS than being confronted with any off-the-mainstream stuff.

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No, but they regulary do because of problems finding capable maintainers or tu much effort in porting newer versions. They also never release stable versions for a lot of devices because they never reach stable status. While open drivers etc would be a big plus, maintaining a device’s software still is a lot of work and is not necessarily done by the community just because it is possible.

There is now. Keep an eye on omgubuntu.co.uk and their twitter feeds to learn when flash sales from canonical and spanish manufacturer bq are held.

Welcome! It would love Firefox OS on the Fairphone as well.

Sounds great. Also support Firefox OS developers/maintainers for Fairphone, possible financially with a “Firefox OS €” i.e. one € or something of each sold Fairphone used to fund Open Source development for the Fairphone.

The current Fairphone OS comes without Google, as well as cyanogen or Omni Rom, preinstalled. But this cuts you away from the most reliable and largest source of the Apps you mention people feel dependen on: The Google Play Store. Installing is easy thought and most people seem to do that to get access to the ecosystem around Android.

But it is not strictly open source. See:

Source: 404 page - Sailfish OS

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There is another possibility: It would be great if the next fairphone gets a ubuntu os

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I voted for 2 - Open source OS. I would love to see Fairphone get an Ubuntu OS. A decoupling from Google would help to make the Fairphone a free phone also, considering all the privacy/data collection issues that come with Google. The main thing that I like about the Ubuntu OS is that it also allows the phone to operate like a fully fledged computer (although a little underpowered), which would reduce redundant hardware, ie a computer to be used for word processing/web browsing that could instead be done from an ubuntu phone connected to a large screen.

I prefer that FP supports both Android and open source alternatives. To have the possibility to decide is the most important aspect in my opinion. So you always give the not-so-much-experienced users the possibility to learn the ropes. I using Windows since i was a child and never made it to install a linux yet. But i am planning to do so. If i wouldn’t have the option to switch, the phone would lose either the one or the other userbase. So i stick with A, but B is also mandatory imho.

I love to see Ubuntu Phone OS on the Fairphone!!

The best option for me would be a device that allowed full support of the Replicant OS. This would keep the android people happy as this would allow access to the large amount of software available for android but at the same time would be in full support of open source. To briefly fill people in who are unaware of the project Replicant is android with all the proprietry drivers removed and replaced with free open ones. It’s also the only OS for phones endorsed by the FSF (free software federation)

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I too would prefer Replicant OS over any other Operating System, but to be overly correct here it is NOT Open Source! Replicant is fully free as in freedom. The FSF is not a big fan of the Open Source Movement and at a quick glance at the Replicant Homepage I couldn’t find the terms “Open Source” or even “FOSS” mentionend there at all.

I would really like cyanogenmod on my phone. Used it on my old samsung and was quite happy with it… and I kind of think it more compatible to fairphone values (don’t know why, maybe the open source / community developed idea?!).

But I’m not an expert, just a user…