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Alternative Apps(tores): Living without Google (FP1)

Yeah, but at the moment Etar is not an option for FP1 owners.

Hello, I’m thinking of switching to FP Open OS because I, too, want to get rid of google spying on my life! I’ve read the thread and I’m really happy that there are so many alternative apps. However, there are a few apps that I use that I would like to keep and that don’t have an alternative (such as facebook, facebook messenger, instagram, banking apps, public transport apps, telecom provider app, etc.). My question is if there is a way to get these apps without the google play store (and if yes, how? Is this what these raccoon and yalp thingies are for?), and what does it entail security/privacy-wise. Thank you in advance for your replies!

exactly. I recommend yalp. You get access to all free (as in free beer) apps and updates on the play store directly from your phone, but without having to use a (real) G%§$e account.

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@Juulll: [quote=“Juulll, post:218, topic:535”]
However, there are a few apps that I use that I would like to keep and that don’t have an alternative (such as facebook, facebook messenger, instagram, banking apps, public transport apps, telecom provider app, etc.).
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afaik there are alternative apps for facebook. I’m not sure if the original facebook app works without google services, but up to my knowledge, having the facebook app installed causes FPOS to expose all different kinds of issues, including random reboots and battery drain. Are those problems fixed these days?
Banking apps often refuse to work on non-standard operating systems. YMMV, I guess you have to try for your case to find out if it works.

@paulakreuzer, yalp & raccoon are not restricted to free apps only. You can also download any paid app that got added to your profile beforehand (e.g. those purchased when logged in through the google play web interface).
What doesn’t work at all is in-app purchases.

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Hi Stefan, thank you for your reply. I am a bit confused, I’m not very familiar with technical terms and I was wondering if you could tell me what FPOS stands for? Anyhow my FP is getting repaired at the moment, I will get back at you after getting it back and switching to FP Open OS on whether the problems persist.

FPOS is Fairphone Operating System, so the standard OS that the fairphone comes with (with #dic:gapps installed).
But the facebook issue is not limited to FPOS. It also happens on FPOOS (#software:fp-open) and probably all Android-based OSes.

In this case I can testify that in my personal experience these problems have been fixed with FPOS, especially through upgrading to Android 6.0, as I explain in this post FP2 random reboots - see #rebootsguide for help

The random reboots progressively disappeared, and the battery life improved significantly, even though I used facebook.

There’s a facebook alternative (actually there are several) that is open-source and reduces the tracking by FB. It also covers FB messaging.
Moreover, you can also find the open-source public transport app Transportr on F-Droid, though you’ll have to find out by yourself whether your city is supported by this app.
Hope, this helps.

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No, raccoon and Yalp Store are mere Play Store alternatives. They just let you download and install apps from Play Store, but that doesn’t mean apps fully work.

I will try to make this as simple as possible: The majority of apps rely on Google Services to function properly (that is the Google’s trick, here you have an official manifest as well). Google Mobile Services, GMS or, more common, GApps are closed-source (and steal a lot of personal data from you). But microG exists to solve this situation.

microG is a libre implementation of GMS that will make work apps that won’t without them. This, combined with Yalp Store are likely to serve you. Banking apps are more prone to not work due to SafetyNet. You will need tingle to patch the system with every update.

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Thanks @tphysm and @Roboe, I am still awaiting a response about my phone being replaced, so currently using a nokia 3310 lol. But I’ll keep you updated once I get the fairphone back and switch to FPOOS. :slight_smile:

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I also have the Yalp store, i have tried several apps but most of them don’t work.
I have installed those apps on a separate account of my android, so i can easily agree that those apps read my non-existant contacts :smiley:

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Any advice for good cycling route planners for European cities that are not dependent on goorgle?

Thank you in advance :slight_smile:

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Check out OsmAnd (read first post for details).

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Do you know what kind of data Google gets, when one uses microG?

When you signin with Google in an app having Google device registration enabled on microG (disabled by default), Google gets your IP, the account you entered and the app you signed in to. The rest is randomized.
When you enable Google Cloud Messaging (disabled by default), then Google gets, with every push message, your IP, the service associated (app) and, depending on how push messaging is implemented in the app, then some other data than could serve to stablish relations.

AFAIK, no more information is shared with Gobble. If any, then it won’t be enabled by default surely. Every other service in microG is implemented with OS services (maps with OpenStreetMap, network location with the backend you choose).

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I know some cyclists use Open Cycle Map (based on osm).

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Try bikecitizens. It’s on the Play Store, but it works well without any Google stuff here on my FP1.

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Aw man that looks exactly like what I need! Thanks mate! :wink:

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